how do they compare to the KDX series from Korea?
Which version?
It is comparable with the KDX-1 and maybe a better sensor suit.
The KDX-2 is significantly larger than 054A and thus are not in the same class.
Golly, you’ve done it again: even quicker than the chinese to turn this thread into flames
Wher’s the flame in my post? It’s a disscussion and I treat it as such. People may disagree with my view and provide detail to their point.
Really I see it as a health disscussion, unless someone decides to jump in and say something unintelligble…
Quite point less thread that will invite nothing but more point less flaming.
nevertheless I will attempt an reasoned disscussion here. (but heh I already feel the negative aura radiating from Francois5 and the likes of which…)
If everyone envisoned a Taiwan invasion force on the behalf of the USMC model when applied via PLA, then I see no point in continuing the disscussion. When has PLA engaged in any war using anything similar to western tactics? Most, if not all current analysis of PLA is still based on western view of how PLA would fight the war had it been the US armed forces, and yet we forget that PLA thinks differently and act according to what tactical solution it can achieve and not what PLA hopes to gain if it was the US army.
Most analysis also overestimates the advantages and equipement superiority of RoC forces. For one the latest deployment of the new amphibous light assult tanks an IFVs based on the universal chasis we can see that PLA does not want to attempt a WWII style beach head invasion with LST and such but with armour assult assets that crosses that last few KM on its own and thus not expose most of the transport to direct line of fire. Which brings us to the point that will PLAAF be supporting CAS roles during the assult and/or if ROCAF has enough assets after the first wave of missile attack to maintain sorties for CAP,CAS and wild weasel missions? My guess is that if we are discoulting Taiwan offensive weapons (i.e. a PLA initiative with no disruption to PLAAF operations and airfields), we can see that PLA may deploy most of its advanced assets and still maintain sortie rate while Taiwan has significantly reduced assets and sortie rate. What that means is Taiwan absolutely can not afford too lose air superiority in Taiwan air space and in order to achieve that it must focus all efforts on maintaining sorties for CAP missions and forgo all air support for ground forces. That mean most PLA ground forces may still be able to reach the Island relatively unscathed. PLA training and tradition did not revolve around air support. It was never a must for PLA ground troops to reciece CAS and thus such an engagement favours PLA. Lately with the enphasis on joint operations, recent defence war games showed PLAAF spotters embedded in brigade level and orgaic to the unit. This would change the balance of the game as PLA would then be able to enjoy CAS to a degree. (PS. PLA CAS is still rudementry, and the extent of precision guide munitions involved is unknown.)
By the way PLA have been focusing a lot on EW warfare and not only lately too. The latest military exercise included an blue opfor EW brigade that was situated only a few KM from red force warzone command to test close range high output disruption to command, communications and thus familiarize troops with these conditions. This implies the importance of EW that PLA envisioned with future opponents such as the US which have some of the best EW suit.
The question could PLA win the war is relatively irralevant since it depend on too much factors with which we have no way of determining, much less measure its effects. But does PLA enjoy the advantage in such an engagement? I believe so.
An UAV model has been builded. A shot on the screen in Zhuhai 😀
It too blurry to confirm.
I don’t think it has a turbofan. Looks like a prop at the end… provides better loiter time though.
Still a Preditor sized ISR asset asset is always nice to have.
Btw is this going to be a corp level asset or battalion?
If you check other pictures, you will see the J-8II can fit two tanks on the outer pylon. Which means you can put three bombs in the inner pylons and the centerpoint. I’ve rechecked the J-8II following the second revision airframe introduced with the F-8IIM has seven hardpoints, 3 on each wing. The middle pylon can be fitted with an AAM.
yeah but how heavy would that load be…?
3 x >500KG bomb
2 x 383kg tank
2 x 115kg for PL-8
Total 2496kg.
Hey you may be right. 😀
Okay, but wouldn’t you test a weapon on a platform you plan to integrate it on? And if so, wouldn’t j8 be the last plane in PLAAF inventory to do that, save for j7? Any of the following seem better suited for the role: jh7, j11, j10, Q5. Hell, even fc-1 would be better if it was available for such tests.
If one wants to test max range achieved at max speed, j11 and j10 are just as good if not better for that role. Especially considering both j10 and j11b are said to be have a multirole future.
Not really… the LS-6 isn’t an AAM. Being GPS/INS duided it really have not much to do with the launch platform. So basically any plane with enough speed could do. Why wasn’t J-11 used? I have no idea but it really depends on what roles PLAAF intends for each plane. J-8 being the most numerous (advanced) asset of PLAAF would make sence in this case. Heck even PLANAF have J-8 in their inventory.
When Jh-7A enter PLAAF service in number I would think there would be LS-6 integrated with it or it might already have.
I think you are just looking too deep into this rather simple picture.
I would think that small piece of picture of a model with LS-6 is better indicator of its use than the (in my opinion) probably PSed pic on the j8II. Can anyone tell from that little piece which plane that is on? Better yet, does anyone have a wider angle pic? If i had to pick one plane, that wide, flat bottom would indicate a jh7/A to me. Makes perfect sense to advertise it on a strike airplane, instead of testing it on a relatively short legged pure interceptor which to date has had zero integration history with any kind of PGMs.
The J-8 has greater max speed of > M2. It would make sence to test it and see what the resulting range the bomb would bring. The Jh-7A tops out at Mach 1.69 .
THis J-8 pic isn’t advertising anything, being on a J-8 would signal that LS-6 may actually be entering PLAAF inventory instead of being a pure export product. Nice to see that PGM are actually fielded… and it seems PLAAF may soon be forgoing rocket strafing.
You do know that the J-8II can fit tanks on the outer pylons.
I know but that’s not the case as shown here.
anyways it still would have terrible efficiency with only one bomb…
I would rather guess the normal weapons fit for mud moving to be two LS-6 and one centre line drop tank.
How come the J-8H carries R-73 and not domestic PL-8 or Pl-9???
probably a test plat form and perhaps weapons intergration. It fitting R-73 on J-8?
Btw what is the feasability that J-8 will carry only one LS-6 on the centre line pylon without any drop tank?
Not a big bomb load and drastically shortened range…
I think India would have so much stronger army now then the Pakastani’s even thought there Mig 29 aint as good as the Pakastani F-16s but i heard they were upgrading them to SMT Level 1 thats about like a F-16C plus india have the Mig 21 Bison, Mirage 2000, SU-30MK, MIG 29K, Mig 23, Mig 27 and the Jaguar IS, also the India is a Nuclear Nation able to produce Nuclear Weapons and Chemical Weapons, but the Pakastani’s only have against India F-16A’s and F-16B’s, F-7s, Mirage III, Most of the Pakastani Mirage’s have recived the ROSE Upgrade, But even thought they are getting soon the F-16C’s and the F-16D’s if India attacked right now Pakastain wouldnt stand a chance.
I think Hungry and Czech Republic would have a chance they a member of Nato were they would have the US as help and they are also a part of EU.
And Pakistan isn’t a nuclear nation?
What do you mean by “battalion”? There is no such unit designation in Air Forces – maybe squadron.
this is PLAAF you are talknig about…
The chinese names are not the same as USAF…
there is no distiction in PLA vs PLAAF in the designation of squadron/battalion
they are all called (dadui)
here is example of PLA organization
detachment (zhidui). battalion (dadui). or company (zhongdui)
This is organic to all Chinese armed forces. In other words PLA, PLAAF, PLAN , PAP,and the Police have the same unit designation of Dadui…
Compared to a country like mainland China, Taiwan is so puny that I seriously wonder about the wisdom of pooring billions and billions of dollars into armaments, such as carrier(s) and escorts, to generate a capability to force Taiwan back into China.
PLAN docterine towards Taiwan never involved using carrier ops.
I’ve never seen a NDU paper ever state a conflict with Taiwan involving the deployment of carriers. PLAN aspirations for a carrier may be more for the extension of power projection to the second island chain and beyond.
It falls in line with current chinese strategic aims of securing hydrocarbons as the prime directive.
I’m sorry was that government sanctioned/policy? No? How ’bout you STFU then? (Too bad they don’t have a troll icon)
It is government sanctioned policy to shoot mexicans.
Please remind your selves how refugees are shoot at the boarder oron those texan ranches.
You know if you wanted we can play the mud slinging game for ages so why don’t everyone just stick to the topic at hand.
Yeah but I don’t think the Chinese would cancel it. They would tolerate it like the lateness they had on the last Sovremanny order. If China was converting more KJ-2000s from their civil and transport IL-76 fleet, you would need those 38 orders to fill the gaps that was created.
hmmm… would’nt An 124 be a more logical choice? You’d get more payload.
I believe these planes are used mainly for the newely formed 15th ABC. An-124 could carry more AFV and more paratroops than the Il-76.
The older Il-76 platforms in PLA inventory can then be transformed in KJ-2000 if airframe is needed.
well the KDXII has 32 Sea Sparrow…
So does DD Murasame and Takanami class
all in the 4500-5000 ton range