That is a nice website on the Camel.
However I suspect that the photograph “in the barn” (ie as found) is more likely to be Desmond St. Cyrien’s premises. No proof, just a hunch the building doesn’t look like a barn but more like a lean-to garage.
I have a friend who, as a teenager, used to “help” St. Cyrien in the ’60’s – I’ll seek his view.
The thread running recently about Parnall Pixie III, G-EBJG (and an apparent but erroneous claim on ownership by Shuttleworth) involves St. Cyrien. It was he I believe that sold it to James Rowe who, in turn, donated it to the Midland APS.
Roger Smith.
That’s great to see.
Any plans to add gate guards and those others in museums abroad?
Roger Smith.
Is there an award like MBE’s that we could give Malcolm in the New Years Honours List?…. :diablo:
The annual Mike Twite Trophy (administered by FlyPast) would have been ideal for this but it seems to have disappeared. I think the SAAB-Scania sponsored Transport Trust Award is still up and running.
Roger Smith.
No Reserve – My a**e
of course it’s got a reserve – the starting price of 750K
rant ended Roger Smith
Where is/was RAF Welford?
I know of Welford in Northants/Leics and one in Warwickshire.
Roger Smith.
Got to the Library last night – in case anyone is interested:
Midland Daily Telegraph Monday 30th July, 1917.
“The Coroner for North Warwickshire Dr. C. W. Iliffe today conducted an inquest concerning the death of Lieut. Roy Cumestree Trout of the Australian Flying Corps. Deceased was aged 22, single and his home was Brisbane, Queensland. He was stated to be an experienced airman. When flying over North Warwickshire he was seen to get into difficulties and nose-dived. The machine was found wrecked and almost completely burned, the petrol tank bursting as a result of the impact. Deceased’s lifeless body was among the debris. Medical evidence showed that he died from the results of the impact and must have been instantaneous. In expressing sympathies to the relatives the Coroner said that the deceased was a young Colonial who came to The Motherland to help the Empire’s ?? and laid down his life nobly for her. A verdict of Accidental Death was returned.”
Am now trying County records office to get copy of Coroner’s Report.
Roger Smith.
To answer my own question, wing area was 12.5 per cent greater than that of the Spitfire and the tare weight was 8,769 lb.Steve P
What was the wing area then?
Looking at the thread on the Do335 that had a wing area of 414.411 sq ft and empty weight of 16,005 lbs.
Roger Smith.
From what I read in my tv pages it will cover British aircraft and US ‘X Planes”.
Yes I agree last weeks did miss out Campbell jnr but was, in itself, an interesting story of the way the US speedsters evolved and then the rivalry between Art Arfons and Craig Breedlove.
I wonder if there will be a third episode covering water speed records? At the rolls-Royce Centenary Event at Castle Donnington last year there was a boat partially-built that is to be a new British attempt on the water speed record (with a RR engine).
Roger Smith.
[QUOTE=Skyraider3D]Just wondering now… are there any other single engine aircraft around with three tail fins like that?QUOTE]
Would the Gannet count?
Roger Smith.
In the UK – none. The only ones left in the UK are the two civil DHL ones at Midland Air Museum and East Midlands Aeropark, as well as the RAF one at Cosford, and i think a civilian one at a dump in Scotland (?)
As far as i know, all the foreign Argosy’s are civilian as well
RL see post 42 two of the three Argosies in the USA are ex-RAF
Roger Smith
I think the Argosy cockpit at Newark Air Museum is from an RAF example
Roger Smith.
Surely that Bucc deserves a better fate than this!!!
and the Phantom
Roger Smith.
PS How come Manston are “allowed” to keep one
Preserved SM.79s
So, to summarize – surviving SM.79s:
L111 ex Lebanon A.F., now at University of Pisa? (whole or just fuselage?)
L112 ex Lebanon A.F., photographed Nicosia 1959, interned at Haifa 28/5/59 now at Italian AF Museum, Vigna di Valle
L113 ex Lebanon A.F., now at Caproni Museum, Trento
have I got that right? Anyone got European Wrecks and Relics and Bob Ogden’s volume that covers Italy?
Roger Smith.
I took the photograph (mentioned in a post above) of the Pixie 111 G-EBJG that was published in Wrecks & Relics 16th edition. I took that shot in Nov 1997. The picture (the original slide of which I can’t lay my hands on just now) depicted the fuselage and tailplane and you could see the various cowlings placed on the ground in front of it. The aircraft was then (and still is) in their Robbin hangar. Although now it is relegated out of view behind the more glamourous but far less rare Sea Harrier.
I attach for your enjoyment here a scan of another slide of G-EBJG which I took earlier, back in 1988. It was then stored in a brick building which had no windows and was adjacent to the Museum’s old location on the site. A while later I recall that the Pixie’s rudder appeared on display for a while upstairs in their new hangar – but it’s no longer there and I wonder if it can be located now.
The store in which I took the attached photo contained a number of interesting machines, including the Messenger (now moved on). It also held components of the Wheeler Slymph G-ABOI (built (I think in Iraq) by Alan Wheeler, the one time doyen of the Shuttleworth collection. It never flew). I say components – well what I was shown comprised no more than remnants such as wheels plus (literally) a tea chest of small components / bits of wood. I recall seeing a photo in Control Column of ‘BOI taken in woods at Old Warden. It was then sitting on its wheels and comprised a complete but fabric-less fuselage minus engine. I fear the Slymph is beyond resurrection – but the Pixie deserves better. It is a fascinating example of one of the Lympne trials aircraft and interesting in having flown in both monoplane and biplane configuration. The MAPS subsequent MAM must be congratulated on keeping the remains under cover all these years. As, however, it doesn’t seem to fit with MAM’s primary themes and it needs very specialist woodworking and associated skills to properly restore, maybe it could be released or swapped to enable someone with relevant will and resources to bring it back to at least static glory?
The picture attached shows the inverted fuselage with tailplane and elevators stacked against it. The picture was taken using flash as it was pitch black in there! Enjoy.
Ahh the old Lairage. The Museum was able to include this ex Airport Cattle Lairage in it’s rental of it’s museum site off Coventry Council. The building was a reasonable size but never in good condition and whilst not offering the best of cover for it’s contents it was the best we could afford.
Also seen in Consul’s photo: as he says the Pixie fuselage is inverted – you can see the two undercarraige legs pointing up and the rear piece of fuselage is poked into the main section. Behind is one wing off the Crossley Tom Thumb and one of two R.E.8 propellors the Museum has (most R.E.8 s were built by Coventry firms). In the foreground are, I think, the two wings from Luton Minor, G-BAPC. These were obtained from Scotland and I have always thought from the first Minor (G-AEPD) although have never been able to prove this. These were sold (to Nigel Ponsford??) during the clearance of the Lairage on it’s loss when the Museum moved onto the present site.
Roger Smith.
When I was an apprentice at Dunlop in Coventry in the mid 60’s there was a massive aircraft tyre store at the west end of the site. I used to love wandering around it particularly when I found a tyre marked “Lancaster” – presumably this was support for the French Aeronavale?
Roger Smith.