And the Nissen Hut the famous “Bagley’s Barn”
Roger Smith.
Nice story
“The rest of the day was quiet” – except for the sobbing of the spotter :diablo:
Roger Smith.
I went to Cosford on Friday and got to have a good look at the Lion there (thanks to Curator Al McLain for meeting with me).
Andy had already put up a photo (post 54) of some of the numbers on this engine but I spent some time with a torch trying to make out all the other numbers. I have made a kinda drawing in Word of these and where they are. It won’t reproduce here so I have attached it.
Andy told me some weeks back that the engine number was often/usually stamped on the prop-shaft casing and this is, indeed, where “50479” appears. However the other numbers suggest the prop-shaft casing might not ‘belong’ to that engine. There are “INSTR….” and “N….” numbers on both the prop-shaft casing and the crankcase which, whilst similar, appear to be different numbers. Could this mean that those two components came from different engines and the ‘engine number'[ATTACH]167362[/ATTACH] isn’t actually “50479”?
Does it matter? should I care?
Roger Smith.
Fantastic pictures of both the Hercules and HH. A fantastic aircraft and a brilliant man who managed to achieve so much in his life. Film producer, TWA founder, Hughes aircraft company, fantastic aviator, inventor of the XF11, and the CIA link with the Glomar explorer and the raising of the Russian sub. All that and trying to deal with the unknown illness of severe OCD throughout his life. Perhaps if he had been born in more modern times his life would have been easier.
You forgot to mention bra designer :diablo:
Roger Smith.
have you asked The Smithsonian and/or The NMoUSAF?
I would guess they are asked these sort of questions fairly often and may have a FAQ which might help??
Roger Smith.
………….and here’s Messenger G-AKEZ, on my side of la manche, many years ago. Perhaps taking its owners on a trip to the races or the casino?
There seems to be other Miles types behind it – the race number on the nearest suggests Miles Hawk Speed Six G-ADGP??
Roger Smith.
Thanks, David.
I’ve started to try to create a “Layman’s guide to how to identify what series of Napier Lion is this?” – perhaps, if it is successful (ie it works), I may move the formula onto another engine type. I was thinking AS Cheetahs, but the Gipsy series would be a good one?
Roger Smith.
Looks like a relative of the Curtiss Condor 🙂
Roger Smith.
…..owned by The Aeroplane Collection and stored in the rafters at Barton for many years ……
Just for Jenna’s sake – different Barton to Barton-in-the-Clay 🙂
Roger Smith.
Awesome find.
Could you provide the link where Corsair was hiding – I haven’t had much luck and the search function cuts things off at 200.
I found the BAC drone BTW – the first thing I noticed was the missing engine – and then the damage (repaired) around the gear leg. Interesting engine mounts though.
Cheers,
Mike Fletcher
Mike, I got back there by typing “aircraft” in the search box and the Corsair is the fourth page. Here’s a link (if it’ll work):
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?imgurl=d846e87e4cecc5fe&q=aircraft+source:life&usg=___T8x356StNDlI_SmVG-RXBNVVz4=&prev=/images%3Fq%3Daircraft%2Bsource:life%26start%3D60%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
I didn’t pay enough attention of the Drone pic – I’ll have to try and find it again.
Roger Smith.
Edit Mike type “F4U” in the search box
Just found a great shot of Gloster’s Meteor production line 🙂
Hi Mike, thanks for the info and especially the engine number, I know Roger will be pleased to have another for his excellent list…..Andy
He is :):):):):):)
Thanks
Roger Smith.
I’m planning to go Friday.
It was on the BBC “Midlands Today” this evening (may be repeated c. 22.30?) and there are a big set of steps up to the Battle cockpit to look in to it. I assumed it was the Battle that M.A.P.S. have been working on – it didn’t return to Hendon and came to Cosford??
Roger Smith.
Great news Jon – look forward to the pics.
Roger Smith.
Just a slight problem…………..12000 miles !!!!!!!
Planemike
and finance 🙁
Roger Smith.
Andy, you are right, of course, the carburettors are there – at the front. It was a funny day, every time I tried to look at the engine someone came up to talk to me and the photos I very hurriedly squeezed in as they were locking up for the night. Roy Gasson of the NPHT was there and i’m sure I heard him say “it hasn’t got it’s carburettors” so I took that as ‘gospel’ !!
I have started on what I hope might be a “layman’s guide to how to identify what series of Napier Lion engine this is” – I have attached a first draft. Still a way to go but would welcome comments.
I have used this draft to ‘prove’ to my contact at Shuttleworth that their engine is a series V not a XI or XIA.
Andy/Ralph, have now consulted Putnam’s Fairey book and the first three Fairey IIIDs supplied to Portugal had RR Eagles in – later IIIDs had Lions fitted. The preserved example (I’m confused now after looking at websites then Bob Ogden’s European Museum’s book exactly where it is) was the third (therefore has an Eagle in it?) and is the one that (completed) the South Atlantic crossing.
Roger Smith.