Could these have been the wings in question?
Yes they are two of my photos taken at the time, we had just got them down.
That might even be G-ORDY whose face is obscured by Jim Titford’s head in the second photo (were you on that trip Gordon?) 🙂
Roger Smith
More on an aviation theme i have been given the name of Nigel Ponsford who we think may be (or have been) connected with the Midland Aircraft Museum, I am keen to get in contact with him.
I am currently looking into the prototype Luton Minor (G-AEPD), all the records so far confirm that it was sold to AJ Cook of Anstruther, I can find nothing on AJ Cook? Also looking at a map of the area round Anstruther and a search for airfields nothing comes up so is it likely that this was a home address on the CAA record and not airfield?
Also connected with G-AEPD I have been told that at some time AJ Cook may have kept the aircraft at Dumbarton before it was destroyed (by a car!)…. again no references to an airfield at Dumbarton, was there any other military/civil site that could explain why it was kept here???
Nigel Ponsford purchased a pair of Luton Minor wings off the Midland Air Museum (which evolved out of the Midland Aircraft Preservation Society) some years ago.
I had been on a “wrecks and relics” trip with Bob Ogden (camping, travelling in his Mini Cooper S) around North England/South-Mid Scotland (c. 1970)when we found a pair of Luton Minor wings in the roof of a barn on a farm in the Edinburgh area (working from memory here). Not a million miles from Anstruther we thought they could be from G-AEPD. We negotiated acquisition for the MAPS and, a few weeks later, I drove the Society’s J4 van up from Coventry to get them down and transport (on the roof). They had many years of dust/cr*p on them. Painted dark blue there was no evidence of any markings on them (photos of G-AEPD I think show the registration under the wings) but we still thought they could be from the prototype. We were told that the aeroplane had been run into by a car and only the wings saved and stored in the roof. The MAPS registered them as a rebuild project and acquired the registration G-BAPC (BAPC = British Aviation Preservation Council) but nothing towards a rebuild was actually done.
As I said they were eventually disposed of to Nigel Ponsford who has/had quite an interest in Luton Minors. I don’t know Nigel myself – but I know a man who does 🙂 Will try and get contact details (unless anyone else comes up with them).
Roger Smith.
Yep, I was going to suggest thinking about using your loft.
Roger Smith.
……Luton Aircraft Ltd was registered as limited liability company on the 1st Jan 1935 with a registered office at 240 Luton Road, Dunstable, Beds… what’s interesting this is the same address/date as the Dunstable Sailplane Company also ‘owned’ by CH Latimer-Needham, thats not interesting enough well how about its also the registered office of Grice and Young, and Zander & Weyl at the same time? …..
Jenna, this may not be as mysterious as it appears. A Limited Company had (has) to have an address as it’s “registered office” (which, I believe, had to have a letterbox for receipt of mail). In reality many companies used ‘convenience’ addresses – often a Solicitor’s offices – particularly a company like an aeroplane company or flying club whose only building might be a remotely located hangar. The 1920’s/30s private flying community had it’s share of Lawyers and Solicitors who, presumably, were happy for their offices to be used in such a way.
So, my guess is that 240 Luton Road might have been a Solictor’s office who, through his ‘hobby’ of flying, knew Latimer-Needham and the other principals involved in those companies?
Very interesting thread – am enjoying it.
Roger Smith.
Schneiderman, thanks for that number and Srs. type off that graph Ralph – have added it to my engine number list. I wonder if NPHT have any of these graphs in their archives?
It is in the middle of what appears to be a batch of ‘racing’ engines
63006 Srs.VIIA Fitted to Supermarine S5 N219 for 1927 Schneider Trophy contest
63007 Srs.VIIA Fitted to Gloster IV, N224. Possibly removed from aircraft before sale to Amherst Villiers in May, 1930.
63009 Srs.VIIA Fitted to Gloster IVA, N222. Last in use in 1931.
63013 Srs.VIIA number/Srs. from surviving engine test graph
63016 Srs.VIIA Preserved at Science Museum – fitted in powerboat “Miss England”
63017 Srs.VIIA Preserved at National Motor Museum – fitted in “Golden Arrow” speed record car
Racer2_UK Great to hear that the Smithsonian have two Lions and of the identities. Did they state what series they are or anything of their histories? or photos of them? Perhaps, if they don’t know what series they are, the “layman’s guide….” (when it is a bit more developed) might provide an answer??
The first one (23812) is only three numbers away from the RAFMuseum’s Srs. V!! (I don’t know if that might mean anything though). Have ammended the “Worldwide” appendix of the survivor’s list accordingly.
I have e-mailed PU-597 to ask if he might post his pic of the Malta Lion onto this thread.
Roger Smith.
Thanks for those.
Pic 3 looks like a Napier Lion – I have seen it noted they have a Lion series V recovered from a crashed Fairey IIIF.
Roger Smith.
hey i am new here,can i ask some suggestion about camping,
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Well, first, you need a tent :D:D:D
Hi jams002 – just checking you’ve got a sense of humour. It helps on this Forum!!! Anyway – welcome.
Roger Smith.
According to C.F. Andrews Vickers Aircraft since 1908 p.35 it is actually Vickers Monoplane No. 2 not No. 1 . Number 1 was wrecked in a crash and No. 2 was sold to Mawson.
Just being pedantic. 😉
I have to admit I hadn’t consulted the great God Putnam 🙂 but, coincidentally, the report I read said that Mawson’s machine was wrecked in a crash flying in Australia. They took the damaged fuselage and engine (leaving the wings in Australia) then repaired (and converted?) it in Antartica before use.
However “wrecked in a crash” was common for aircraft in those days.
Roger Smith.
It’s unkind to pour scorn on this guy.
It is easy to sit in judgement now with hindsight gained by over one hundred years of aviation experimentation that has got flying to our current advanced state.
It may have been built for the glider trials – it may even have flown.
It may have been built as a model (although the “controllable” flying surfaces suggest otherwise) – lets not forget that most of the pioneers started by building models.
Tangmere your comment about the ailerons – this kind of arrangement was not rare (I think Shuttleworth’s Boxkite replica has them) particularly in pre-1914 types. Both ailerons drooped until flying speed was obtained, then an aileron was pulled down to induce roll although it would, presumably, induce yaw as well?
Roger Smith.
Am I right in thinking that the exchange rate is about 2.7 NZ$ to 1 GBPound??
At 18 NZ$ (15 + 3 p&p) that makes it £6.67 ??? – I must have that wrong.:confused:
Roger Smith.
Maybe the one that does the rounds in supermarket car parks? according to this old thread:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=39299&highlight=wasp+supermarket
it is Wasp XT788/G-BMIR owned by Xray Tango Helicopter Club at Dunkeswell
Roger Smith.
Has anyone created and maintained a full list of ATC airframes over the life of the Corps?
It was Roy Bonser who had the two-part article in FlyPast on this subject. Part 2 was in the February, 2003 issue (so assume part 1 was in the January issue). Haven’t found my copies out yet and can’t remember what level of detail Roy went into, but I’m sure it was more than ‘just’ a list/photos of airframes that went to ATC Squadrons.
Roger Smith.
The earliest aircraft I can think of are the Fokker D.VII and Sopwith Snipe, which both had aerodynamically balanced ailerons.
The Fokker E.III had a balanced rudder? – before that the Avro 504? – and even earlier the Bleriot XI elevators are sort of balanced (though I don’t know if that was what Bleriot intended)
Roger Smith.
Strange markings?
Roger Smith.
Photo 60 – the Vincent(?) K4110 in the background has 84 Squadron’s Scorpion badge on it – Photo 59 was of K4111. I wonder if his mode of dress was proper RAF kit or ‘home-made’ (a highly modified boiler suit?).
Keep ’em coming 🙂
Roger Smith.