Good point Cees.. incidentally does anything substancial still exist of the AW Siskin.? Is there a fuselage, set of wings still extent? And what about the AS Jaguar engine, any of those still around..?
Yes, I’d love to see a Siskin. As far as I know there are three wings in the care of the RAFMuseum – I believe they are all uppers (and from the same side?) – one of them has been on display at Midland A.M., Baginton for quite a long time. There was (on a previous thread) talk of a rudder somewhere in deepest Warwickshire and, maybe, bits in Canada???
Jaguar engines are very rare – the R.R.H.T.(Coventry Branch) have one on display at Derby.
Roger Smith.
What was the British obsession with rear engined jets? About the only one that wasn’t would have been the BAe/HS/DH 146 – and that has a T tail. 125, 111, VC10, Trident…
and the Comet 🙂
Roger Smith.
There are quite a number of books that cover British aeroplanes/light aeroplanes that include types that took part in the Lympne trials in the early 1920s – as well as several of the Putnam series on British aircraft manufacturers. Lots of photos of aircraft taken at Lympne (during the trials) in these.
I wonder has anyone written a book specifically about the Lympne Trials (1922 to 26?)
Roger Smith.
Jon, have posted request on Barry Clay’s Wings Over Warwickshire Forum.
Roger Smith
Glad DaveR has stepped up – he seems to have been researching the Sabre for some time so best person for the job 🙂 (I still have more to do yet on the list of Lions).
As JDK has said the WW1 list is an excellent example of what can be acheived with the participation/input of a knowledgable world-wide audience.
…….Next RR Vulture, RR R perhaps?……
Cees
I would like to see one on the AS Jaguar perhaps? – but maybe not yet.
Roger Smith.
Thanks muchly 🙂
Roger Smith.
thanks for that Laurence.
Any chance of an ISBN no. or the publisher?
Roger Smith.
I may be mistaken as it’s been a long time, but I think the Python in the Marine Salvage yard was an ASX. Either way, hope it was saved.
G
I’m pretty sure that the ASX came out of a scrapyard in Coventry – actually adjacent to the Parkside factory (Siddeley-Deasey/Armstrong Siddeley/Bristol Siddeley/Rolls-Royce) and went, initially, to the RAFM.
Roger Smith
Why havent i been told about these :rolleyes: 😀
Probably for fear that in the current economic situation you wouldn’t be able to find a bank willing to loan you the money to buy one – they sound expensive :diablo::diablo:
Roger Smith
Hi Roger, So I presume MN235 has an engine fitted?
Cees
Cees, the BAPC indicates it has a IIa fitted.
I missed two off my ‘additions’ from the BAPC – both now been covered (the Dumfries and Galloway example Pete noted is said to be from Typhoon MN532).
So, who is going to take on the task of making a sensible list out of all the posts?
Roger Smith.
I watched said report – the “finder” was Richard Parr of Retro Aviation (see current FlyPast page 42/43).
I got the impression there were three Wellington panels – certainly two – being used as fencing but was unsure whether they were fuselage sides or wing upper/lower surfaces. I would guess they were each about 8 – 10 ft. long x 3 ft. high.
The other items “found” in the (un-named farmer’s) barn were a Javelin nose cone “been used as a child’s play-teepee”, a Javelin canopy section, several Miles Master canopy sections and a Hercules engine.
The farm location was said to be “just down the road from RAF Shawbury”.
Roger Smith.
PS will this add fuel to the calls aired in a previous thread to assemble a third Wimpey from the surviving bits spread around the country??
The BAPC listing, compiled by Peter Kirk in 2003, also has the following:
1064 (Honiton) ATC
Birmingham MSI (VII) – presumably in store with all their other aero engines
Cambridge Uni (VII) sectioned
Brenzett (IIa) ex crash-site
Rolls-Royce HT (IIa) at Derby (owned by Cranfield Uni?)
RAFM (IIa) in Tempest NV778
RAFM (III)
RAFM (VII) x 2 – presumably one of these or the Srs III Cees listed as on display in front of Typhhon
Science Museum are listed as having two – a IIa and a sectioned IIb
Roger Smith.
IIRC, the aircraft were there to gain time in international mail runs, the ship ‘shortening’ the sea crossing for ‘air’ mail. So a) they didn’t take passengers or freight and b) they did wait for their ship to arrive in port before re-embarking. I don’t believe the British ever seriously tried it, while the Germans did a lot of it – using the Dornier Wal, 18, Junkers W.33 and Ha 139 among other types. Of course it was an intermediate solution, redundant once payloads and ranges became sufficient.
An alternative in Britain was, of course, the Mayo Composite.
I think the basis of Neville Shute’s (N.S.Norway) final novel “Stephen Morris” revolves around an experiment to catapult a small flying boat with a range of nearly 1000 miles off a trans-Atlantic liner. The difference in speed over 900 miles between aircraft and ship would get the first class mail to it’s destination port a lot quicker.
“Stephen Morris” was not prophetic though – it was written post war (a good yarn though).
Roger Smith.
As well as the Vampire “give away” and the USAFM loans (F-100, T-33 and Mystere) there were quite a few Hunters “donated” to museums/collections by HSA. I think these were airframes originally purchased back for refurbishment and sale.
With regard to the two US types the weak area I noticed is the underside of the F-100 wing along the line of the main spar.
Roger Smith.
Like other posters this is a Museum that I need to re-visit. Thanks for the photos.
The glider behind the Jet Gyrodyne (photo 4) is, I think, the Broburn Wanderlust, ex Bagley’s Barn, Farnborough recently mentioned in another thread.
Roger Smith.