Wonderful stuff 🙂
Some of the pre-1914 shots would be good candidates for the “wot-plane” thread!!
Thank you for posting.
Roger Smith.
Thanks Andy – will add that number to my database.
Ralph, there are a lot of E numbers in Alan’s book arranged in ‘families’ rather than numerical order but not sure if they’re all there. Numerical list might prove useful thanks.
Roger Smith.
……Does anyone know the number of the Lion engine at Old Warden ? Andy
Andy, I should be at Old Warden this Saturday and am hoping to have a good look at the Lion. If I do I also hope I can find some numbers on it.
Roger Smith.
Thanks for that Andy. Is it possible you could supply list of what other markings you got off it?
Roger Smith.
PhantomPhixer said (less than a fortnight ago) he was putting his AOP 9 project up for sale got to:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d…m=160296919153
I don’t think it sold so send him a PM??
Roger Smith.
I didn’t see all of the programme (even though it was on twice) and I’m left wondering what will happen to it now? I saw a piece about the potential threat the shafts (and the tunnels presumably) pose due to collapse or subsidence. So, will it be filled in or preserved/maintained for future study?
Roger Smith.
…… Whitley was funded by the Czechs who cared not for such constraints, and cared only to clobber Berlin. …..
I’ve not heard that before – could you tell me more please? There would surely have been a vast difference in range required?
Roger Smith.
Reply from Seaham ATC – they DONT have a Lion!! – it may be a faint possibility that the third Sea Lion at Solent Sky may be this one??? hoping when I get a reply from SS we may know more.
Attended a talk by Alan Vessey of NPHT last Tuesday and bought a copy of his recent book “By Precision into Power” (ISBN 978 0 7524 388 7). I’m hoping his book along with a listing supplied by NPHT and various dips into Flightglobal suggested by schneiderman will provide the basis for an “how to recognise what Series Lion engine this is” table.
Here’s an up-dated serial number list (thanks to schneiderman for his additions) and have noted from the Amherst Villiers thread that 63007 was removed from Gloster IV, N224 before he purchased it. I have also changed from “Mk.” to “Srs.” as it seems that was how Napiers configured them. Haven’t fully worked out the Napier “E” numbering system 🙂
Napier Lion – known serial numbers
23815 Srs.V Preserved at R.A.F.Museum, Hendon
25239 Srs.1B Preserved at Imperial War Museum, Duxford
39645 Srs.V Preserved at Science Museum
50095 Srs.I Preserved at Portugese Air Museum
50108 Srs.V Preserved by R.C.Shelley, Billericay? Ex Blackburn Velos G-AAAW
50179 Srs.VII Preserved at R.A.F.Museum, Hendon (RAFM unable to confirm no.)
50479 Srs.V Preserved at R.A.F.Museum, Cosford (RAFM unable to confirm no. or mark)
51383 Srs.VA Preserved/under rebuild by Andy/racer2UK
62001 Srs.VII Fitted to Gloster III N195 in 1927
62015 Srs.VII Fitted to Gloster III N194 in 1926
62418 Srs.VIII was thought to be preserved at Solent Sky but not there?
63006 Srs.VIIA Fitted to Supermarine S5 N219 for 1927 Schneider Trophy contest
63007 Srs.VIIA Fitted to Gloster IV, N224. Possibly removed from aircraft before sale to Amherst Villiers in May, 1930.
63009 Srs.VIIA Fitted to Gloster IVA, N222. Last in use in 1931.
63016 Srs.VIIA Preserved at Science Museum – fitted in powerboat “Miss England”
63017 Srs.VIIA Preserved at National Motor Museum – fitted in “Golden Arrow” speed record car
63101 Srs.VIIB Preserved at Solent Sky (owned NPHT) Fitted to Gloster IVB, N223. Aircraft written off 10/12/30
63103 Srs.VIIB Fitted to Gloster IVB, N223 for 1927 Schneider Trophy contest.
63106 Srs.VIIB Fitted to Supermarine S5 N220 for 1927 Schneider Trophy contest
63307 Srs.VIID Preserved at Think Tank, Birmingham in Railton speed record car
63308 Srs.VIID Preserved at Think Tank, Birmingham in Railton speed record car
66017 Srs.XIA Preserved at Camden Air Museum Australia
66113 Srs.XIA Preserved incomplete at Brooklands Museum. Ex Fairey Long Range Monoplane. Owned by RAFMuseum (RAFM unable to confirm no.)
66114 Srs.XIA Preserved at Brooklands Museum in Napier-Railton speed record car
66948 Sea Lion Preserved at Omaka, Blenheim, NZ.
Mostly preserved engines except those in italics R.P.Smith – 16/11/08
With the substantial enlargement of this list the two engines that now stick out like the proverbial “sore thumb” are 23815 the Srs.V at Hendon and 50095 a Srs.I in Portugal (anyone speak Portugese?). The Srs. VIII gone AWOL from Solent Sky is also “out of sequence”. I hope I might be able to get some numbers off the two Lions at Shuttleworth and Cosford (both Srs.Vs) in the next couple of weeks. If I can will it make it clearer or not??
Roger Smith.
Apologies for a late entry but now found the document I thought I had.
I went to a number of The British Aviation Preservation Council’s excellent “Stopping the Rot” conferences. The sixth (East Midlands Airport 18/11/95) included a presentation/paper by Peter Elliott, RAFMuseum entitled “Care and Conservation of Documents and Photographs” – I remember it well!* It runs to 5 A4 pages, realizes that many of the audience have to work on very tight budgets and includes useful addresses and some suppliers.
I know BAPC do have spare copies of SOME of the books made up of each STR and would perhaps supply one for a modest charge.
I would suggest e-mailing BAPC Secretary Brian Dixon at: [email]secretarybapc@blueyonder.co.uk[/email]
He will be very busy preparing for the next Council meeting on 22nd November so don’t be suprised if it takes a while for him to reply. If they have none left I would be happy to provide copies of the five pages with the Secretary’s “ok”
Roger Smith.
* I remember it well as, having listened to the speaker talking of storing documents in cardboard boxes, I asked for advice on preventing rodent attack. My question was listened to in amazement and I didn’t really get an answer and the subject was exluded from “questions from the floor” 🙁
Good point such WWII types like the Grumman Wildcat flew combat missions during the entire war. In the case on the latter is was flying and shooting down enemy aircraft almost til the every end…….
Are we talking about the 1939 – 45 war or the 1941 – 45 war? Sorry, although I have nothing useful to add to the debate, I couldn’t resist that :diablo::diablo:
Roger Smith
Without going through all the previous posts – does anyone know if the RAFMuseum are interested?? It’s not far from Stafford!
Roger Smith.
Nice set of pictures of an interesting Museum.
I think the “unidentified biplane” is an Ansaldo SVA-4 ? (Italian WW1) and I’d take a stab at the autogiro as being a Bensen ?
Presume (hope) the Bleriot is a replica built for external display.
Roger Smith.
If it wasn’t for the props you might think it the illegitimate child of a union between Meteor and Vampire :dev2:
Roger Smith.
Your link only seems to go to the phot of the 1902 rocket with no forward/back :confused:
Roger Smith.