Mate those UAE tubs, it looks as though if you want one helo out you have to open the whole back up, that’s not good. Are they Bremen Class (aka type 122’s) and if so when did they get them?

That Swaziland vessel turned up in Chile, apparently one of the leaders of the country had swindled hoards of money and took off, since there is no extradition laws over there he got away. The vessel was scuttled and that ended that chapter.

As for the Rhodesian and South Africans sinking the entire Zambian naval force, that has to go down as a legendary move, I know that it’s a chapter learnt by the Clearence Divers here in Australia as well as by the Navy Seals of the US.

Sev, mate I really can’t remember but there are two in the box and they are very tiny (only 8.5cm long). I want to get a bigger one, but there aren’t that many down here of that particular type, infact these were the only ones I’ve ever seen.

Wac, indeed they do mate, but you’ll find that those ships are operated by the Border guard or a maritime Police force, not actually a naval arm of the defence force!

Well those Agosta 70’s will be retiring soon. Will the US sell the Orions to the PN? Last I heard they were actually with holding on the deal, as for the Atlantiques, those four were going to be retired once the other 8 Orions came on line

Ja
Your missing the point

Am I?

PN does not want, “power projection”, “blue water navy” or “diplomatic tools”

Who said anything about that? I was merarly stating that most of the PN equipment was old and out dated. If had had any influence in the military sector over there I’d be spending a little bit more on establishing a naval force that would have a chance at fulfilling the stated objective, that of Keeoing the IN away from the shore. The PN doesn’t really stand a chance in terms of numbers.

PN should have around the following in 10 years

5+ modern subs
10 frigates
10 MPA
12 Choppers
10+ patrol/missile boats

I find this to be grossly optimistic, 5+ Modern Subs, 5 would be believeable. 10 Firgates, they wouldn’t need that many, Four would be better. 10 MPA’s, which type? Russia won’t seel them any nor will any western company and China doesn’t really have any, unless you are talking about those old badgers! The helos are more believeable, at least China has those to sell. No 10+ Patrol/missile boats, this is so under-rated it’s not funny, this area should be built up on a big scale. FAC’s, FAM’s, FF’sand FFL’s are relatively cheap. There are a lot of good designs out there and some builders will sell their designs to Pakistan.

in addition it can call upon a dedicated anti-ship PAF mirage 5 sqd

That’s well and good, but what’s going to happen when these old planes run up against planes of a more modern age? Or even still when these planes fall out of the skies before they even get to their target because they’ve been picked off by BVR missiles that they didn’t even see coming?

Given what India is buying in terms of defence, Pakistan is being out stripped in a very big way, but that’s ok because India has already stated that Pakistan isn’t a threat to them now. It’s hard to have a threat if it’s only one sided.