Never thought of the possibility of adapting it for Sea watch duties- interesting thought!
Perhaps there may be another use for them after all. In any case it is clear that the UK MoD don’t want them so someone else may have to find a use- but as mentioned, they might have a bit of trouble with secret equipment aboard.
I suppose the real question should be: how does this stack up next to other similar equipment standards? I know the E-8 was the bases for this machine, but comparrisons to the R-99B is what I am looking for.
And while we’re at it- Hey BigVern, good t have you back mate!
It seems that some on this thread don’t fully understand the situation or what is happening- please allow me;
Under the current SDSR, all 5 R-1’s and all associated equipment will be retired at the end of the Afghan ops currently underway. This retirement of capability will be immediate (odd since 2015 is the withdrawl date) and perminant.
This means, no shoving them in a hanger until needed again.
So I guess the next question would logically be… Apart from South Africa who else activly uses the C-47?
I knew this would wake you all up- thank you :D:D:D
I had a soft spot for Bonnie Dick but No she would never have suited our needs unless we had bought it back in the mid 70’s.
What we would have been better off doing was buying a Sister ship to Principe de Austrias and fitting her with SHars (keeping in mind that these planes were offered to the RAN with sale of the British carrier). The Wessex helos were not long for retirement and me mentioning the Squirrels was because we had just started buying them for Training anyway (AS.350A- single engine versions not the B Twins). The Seahawk deal was another couple of years off but since the type was starting to come on line with the USN, I guess an accelerated program might not have been out of the question. The Seakings were under critisism for their service history with a few having been lost already, so any extra buy of these would have met with huge resistance from the public.
The Sea Control program was deemed a failure in the USN ranks because they wanted to control not only SLOC’s but over the beaches too and the ability to strike deep in enemy territory gave the USN a reason to have Big carriers. Spain proved with one vessel that the Sea Control idea does work, so for Australia to buy two vessels of this type, our needs are met very easily and cheaply
I still think we should have kept our Trackers in service and yes upgrade them to Turbo Trackers, they would have made handy and useful tools for combating the current Boat loads of assylum seekers we have flooding our shores now and saved the government vast amounts on Contract costs!
Opening the MEMORY BOX once again for you Nostalgic chaps


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Ok now to cut this hijacked thread here and start a new thread about What the RAN “SHOULD” have done!
Having just read the Defence and Security Review just a few days ago I can say that yes the Seakings will be retired as the fleet moves towards having a helo fleet of only Merlins and Wildcats (with other types operated on behalf of the Defence Services- SAR and Training).
The pilots who fly the Seakings have a saying: The only replacement for a Seaking is another Seaking.
I wish we still had a flying Wessex down here in RAN colours
Worth Googling Knightsbridge University quickly for a bit of a giggle.
Ohhhhhhhh, hmmmmmmmm *feels like a right Richard now*
Still lets look at what is written on the page and discuss the ideas- yes some are in development, some are under design, and I agree some a wildly way out of the fantasy books.
Given your back ground mate- I think you may appreciate these pics- all courtesy of Metal Storm!

MS AICW

MS 9mm Pistol

MS Redback under closed testing

MS ADWS

MS mounted on a HMMV- reported to be under construction and costing US$220K for the contract

MS Talon
I make a lot of mention about the Redback product simply because this system will arm the Bushmaster Trucks on the forward gun mount and also because this is the product that Brought Singapore Technologies Group into the mix, the money they brought with them has allowed further expansion of all MS products in all areas of the battlespace!
And now getting back on track here- US Navy buys ‘Metal Storm’ grenade-GASM gun
Check out the website mate- have a look at the vidclips of the system under test- WOW!
The good old days:D I have never seen the skyhawk on the Oberon before-is it PS’d?
I’d heard about keeping the Rhinos(even about a suplemental buy in case of delays and because of continuing problems with the legacy hornets), but I’d heard skylarking they would be kept in a rejuvenated RAAF Reserve, with additional Reserve obligations for fast jet pilots after leaving the service.
Lets hope they do it all, and commit to a 3rd LHD, A new AUSTRALIA.
With the woman in Kirribilly- hahahahaha you’re joking right, yes we need a new Australia, but the way the RAN top brass are thinking atm, that won’t ever happen- they’ve become soft! “we don’t want to have the countries namesake destroyed with all hands or involved in some terrible accident on her way to a major relief effort”. There’s a name for them and it starts with P!
Yeah I feel at this point in time the Rhino’s will stay, add to that the fact that the last 12 of the order for 24 are to be wired for Growler lite missions giving the RAAF it’s first taste in EW missions- something it has longed for (we even bought 4 EF-111’s back in the early 90’s, pity they were only for the parts they offered- still some of us hoped that they’d be brought on strength). bottom line- the Rhino’s are here to stay mate. I’ll never forget Riccardo Travern’s performance at Avalon 07, proved how much more power the Super Bug had over the Classics!
As for the pic- no it’s not photo shopped, this predates PS by 20 years, just a very very clever pic done by a photographer back in the 80’s who was trying to save the A-4’s from being sold off.
Strategic defence review centre? mark us down for 2 more RAR battalions buddy….and 2 extra commando companys fo 1 cdo
Thanks for the A4 photos, just love them, but still have a soft spot for the red checkerboards!
I say still think that there will be 100+ F-35A/C for the RAAF….75 covers the 71 F/A-18A+s and the other 25 covers the 24 F/A-18Fs with 1&6sqns…….. minimum. a F-35B buy would really need to be of 25(2 sqn of 12 for RAN,1for ARDU) and with our current trend of growth, maybe another 20-40 F-35A/C for new squadrons…. the dream plan of fightertown west at pearce….
We’ll have to chat about army issues elsewhere mate, but our Army needs attention as well- I have some serious issues with our current forces and the army aren’t spared the wrath either! (PM me your email address and we’ll chat privately).
The last 25 to be ordered later were initially to cover the Super Bugs but now there is talk of actually keeping them in service since they are proving to be better than what we hoped for thus the plan to buy the B’s for the navy have come about. The actual savings of keeping the F/A-18F’s in service and not selling them off early would offset conversion costs for new pilots switching mid career, which is why we have this issue atm (Do we buy B’s or not)? As for sqdn levels, it would be more like 2x front line sqdn’s with 8 frames (16 in total) 1x training sqdn and one frame to ARDU
The Good old days- just for you my friend on the far coast
Beat this!
And who said Australians aren’t at the forefront of Naval technology? We even developed a Sub that could fly off a Skyhawk to attack you when and where you least expected it!
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I am sure about this, I remember a doco playing on screen at Avalon 2007 that showed the history of MS, what they had done and what they are doing in the future (today), there was mention of technical advisors going over to help solve the Rail Gun issues, this was just as the STG group came on board too when Redback was released

Metal Storm Redback system
No, the MMI owns the Harriers, & will own some (22 IIRC) F-35B. In addition, the AMI plans to operate some (ca 35-40) F-35B alongside a larger number of F-35A.
AMI F-35B are intended for land-based CAS, expeditionary deployment & amphibious use. Pilots will train on the carriers (STOVL is easier & cheaper than catapults, of course), but probably to a lower level than MMI pilots, e.g. not necessarily qualified for night operations.
There have recently been indications of second thoughts by the AMI, but AFAIK the above is still the plan.
Makes sence to me, but thinking back now, didn’t the MMI wish for more than 22 frames? I remember through the fog that has crept into my brain that at one stage they were looking for up to 40 for the two carriers divided into three sqdn’s- one each for the carriers and one dedicated training sqdn with a lesser amount of planes (something along the ratio of 16:16:8)- maybe I am getting this mixed up with something else yet again
I’ll pass this info on to HARS whith their restortation of a Tracker underway atm
Ohhh man, Scoot I boobed, I was mixing you up with Badger- see, proof positive of how much I have been working lately:(