Perhaps Mexico is getting fed up with American intervention in it’s military, I know a lot of other countries are. If they are given military aid by the US does that mean that the US then tells them which equipment to buy? In short, yes!
Look at the recent actions in Columbia, the US said that should the Columbian government decide to buy EMB-314’s The US will no longer help that government with military financial aid. The US were pressuring the FAC to get their old OV-10’s and A-37’s upgraded in the US. Don’t they realise that these planes are really old now and no amount of upgrading will help them in a real combat situation. The answer is new planes and this is what they are doing. If the US wants to recind it’s offer of help then it obviously speaks volumes of it’s true intentions behind the offering of finacial aid.
(Sorry if I have offended anyone- Scoot- it’s just my thoughts).
Sure would mate, load of room
I can see that you are new here, don’t worry, we don’t bite peoples heads off.
Anyway, the Skyhawk was chosen for weight and size reasons. They have been upgraded to a similar standard to the old RNZAF skyhawks with the APG-66 radar making them a very capable plane to play with.
Sadly with the ecconomic down turn in Brazil, the fleet of AF-1’s (local designation for the skyhawks) are forced into a slight hiatus, thus only three are flyable atm and another two being worked on in Argentina. The MdB recently awarded LMAATS a contract to look after two skyhawks and six engines for 5 years.
The Carrier is rented out to the AdA for continuation of carrier qualifications for it’s pilots and the MdB’s pilots have not had much sea time in two years.
IMHO, the AF-1 force is becoming a joke in the service, the pilots are very capable but the money keeping them in the service and not flying is just ludicrous. Now that the FA.2’s are retired perhaps the MdB could buy some of them, but then again, perhaps not since it needs money first.
If I were in control of the MdB funds, the first thing I’d do is retire a lot of the old rust buckets still floating just to make up the numbers, this would inturn free up funds for a more equiped and better force.
I have spoken to a few Brazilian friends on this subject and they agree with me.
Ok let me just clear something up here:
We had a requirement to replace HMAS Tobruk with a new LPD, this ship will be of a similar standard to the two LHD’s and have a twin helo spot aft, and a heavy troop-lift capability.
The two LHD’s are to replace the LPA’s HMAS’s Kanimbla and Manoora, one in 2012 and the other in 2015. The new LPD is expected on line in 2017 by which time HMAS Tobruk will certainly need replacing.
The original concept was for the winning bidder of the LHD concept to also build the LPD, so does Navantia and Amaris have an adaptable LPD design based on te LHD’s they have offered?
The Rotterdam class is very impressive but from what I can gather, it is a little too small for what we need (go figure). The real reason, it think, is that the winner of the LHD contract must also offer the LPD design with a discount for all three ships.
Thanks TW, I have seen those two pics before, though not that big and the layout drawing is very interesting.
What gets me is the fact that we all seem to be focused on the two LHD’s and no one is looking at the LPD that will be ordered at the same time to replace HMAS Tobruk (the LHD’s replacing HMAS’s Kanimbla and Manoora).
It might even be a case of the LHD’s going to the Spanish Aussie team and the LPD going to the French Aussie team, though this does seem unlikely, due to the requirement that they share a commonality for parts and service. My point, does Navantia have a designed LPD based on the LHD? For that matter does Amaris?
I was trying to find info and pics on the Indonesian LPD’s, I know one is KRI Dalpele 972, but I can’t find anything at all and Naval-Technology’s gap ibetween what they have posted and what is out there is just growing bigger and bigger. might have to fire off another email, I have offered to help them but I have always gotten nowhere.
interesting little tubs, Emerlec 30’s up front, and what are those things atop and aft? They look like something out of Star Wars, like little pods, what sort of gun do they have? 7.62mm mini guns?
Here you go, took me a bit but I found it!
And the thread I posted it in orriginally, the full specs are there.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=47638&highlight=DDL
Gol: Mate I know the design you are talking about, I have it somewhere too, i’ll dig it up (I do have a scaner- two actually 😉 )
Can: Info on the OPV (off the top of my head)
Total length 84m
Crew: 35
Speed: 24kts max
Crusing:16kts
Range: 45 days (3500nm at 16kts)
1x 56mm Bofores Gun
1x 30mm gun
2x .50cal guns
8x harpoon launchers
1x Super Seasprite helo
(Remember that is off the top of my head- one of the teachers I had back in my catagory school, her partner was involved in the whole OPV project with mapping out the RAN desires for what was needed, her and I shared many an afternoon talking about this idea- and nothing else, you dirty minded so and so’s 😛 )
I think Ja has a friend in Mexico with more information.
I do indeed guys and he’s been keeping me updated, I have kept quiet about it because I wanted to see where the whole thing was going myself, but yes indeed this is actually happening. My freind has gone out of computer range for 15 days, but will be back and give me full updates, which I will happily pass on.
I believe they are new built examples.
That is correct, apparently the AdM are looking at getting models similar to those in Vietnamese service. In his last email, my friend told me that AdM admirals and Rosboronexport officials were in conferance reguarding price and equipment. Also the Admirals were appealing with the Republic’s Congress to get the money for the planes.
Any other sources also saying this? Is it actually a done deal?
National News papers are reporting it also, the deal isn’t done yet but they are just hammering out the details (so you may as well say that it is).
I sincerely doubt that the Mexican Navy is getting new built Flankers and the MAF has to make due with old F-5’s!
I have brought this question up myself with my friend. According to him the FAM are a different subject but they are trying to buy some more F-5’s off the second hand market as a temporary measure to finding new planes for the service. The recent strain on ties between the US and Mexico is making the Mexicans look elsewhere for defence needs. I wouldn’t be suprised if the FAM end up with French or Chinese equipment in service but you can honestly rule out anything American in the next 20 years.
***Additional***
According to my friend the planes will be based somewhere in the Yucatan, my guess would be BAN Campeche, or even BAN Chetumal. One faces the Gulf of Mexico, the other faces out into the Atlantic.
And the reason they want the planes is to fend off intruders to their oil fields, though I too can’t understand why they want a pure fighter and not a multi-roled a/c such as the Su-30.
Here’s a collection of pics of the ships with this name (Ok so I have nothing better to do, big deal) 😀







Interesting story mate, any pics of the type involved?
Will there be other offers of military assistance for this country either by S/Korea or any other country?
One of the guys didn’t make it to the funeral this afternoon, apparently te ordeal being a bit too much for him, but who couldbegrudge him that? The other was seen on TV walking a bit stiff but after being cramped up in a cage 2.6M long by 1.2M high, it’s understandable that he would be walking funny.
The Town of Beconsfield, the State of Tasmania and the Nation of Australia all paused today with happiness that they were free and at 13:00 local all paused for a minutes silence in respect for Larry Knight who was laid to rest.
The mine now closed pending an official enquiry as to why the mine was allowed to continue operation after an earth tremor last year shook the mine, which then became unstable. For now, the nation goes back to normal life never forgetting that this was the day that the impossible became possible, prayers were answered and the light of hope shone through.
One of the guys didn’t make it to the funeral this afternoon, apparently te ordeal being a bit too much for him, but who couldbegrudge him that? The other was seen on TV walking a bit stiff but after being cramped up in a cage 2.6M long by 1.2M high, it’s understandable that he would be walking funny.
The Town of Beconsfield, the State of Tasmania and the Nation of Australia all paused today with happiness that they were free and at 13:00 local all paused for a minutes silence in respect for Larry Knight who was laid to rest.
The mine now closed pending an official enquiry as to why the mine was allowed to continue operation after an earth tremor last year shook the mine, which then became unstable. For now, the nation goes back to normal life never forgetting that this was the day that the impossible became possible, prayers were answered and the light of hope shone through.
I seriously doubt that we will ever see the full extent of the US military research no matter how much time passes! This YF-24 might even be in the same catagory as the fabled F-19. Still, nice PS pics, wonder what other ones are out there.