Didn’t realise we had this thread, here’s two of Tholthorpe in Yorkshire
yes i aggre it very important we keep these planes flying just thought the name might be a little confusing to some people
I don’t aggre, sorry I mean agree. Your average punter today wouldn’t know that the Lancaster didn’t fight in the BoB, and which mark of Spitfire/Hurricane that is being displayed, therefore the BBMF name is fairly irrelevant to them.
Only us anoraks, us happy few, we band of bothers that are blessed with this knowledge, and therefore it is our destiny Luke to carry it forward, to enlighten the many.
Chailey last year :-
Also, has Ray Hanna relocated back to New Zealand?
T J
Better climate and no capital gains 😉 Right time to sell then !!!!
Not been on a taxi run, but was shown around BBMF’s Lanc a few years ago, though it looks a big aircraft on the ground, it doesn’t appear that way once you are inside. I tried to imagine how the crews would get out in an emergency, especially when the doomed aircraft was being thrown all over the sky. I have every respect for the guys who served on these and the other bomber command types.
According to FCL.
No Defiant losses on 13 May 1940.
Mark
Mark
Page 15 FCL Vol 1
According to Fighter Command Diaries 264 Sdq suffered 4 Cat E on May 13th.
Yorkshire for me, and no hysteric aviation related stops on the way – what a bitch
According to the BoB website L6965 was lost 0n 24 August 1940 !!!! I’m at work does anyone have FCL close to hand who can confirm this ?
Casablanca (1942)
Rick
“Here’s looking at you, kid”
“Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine.”
“Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life”.
Isla :-
“Kiss me. Kiss me as if it were the last time.”
“Play it once, Sam. For old times’ sake”
Casablanca (1942)
Rick
“Here’s looking at you, kid”
“Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine.”
“Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life”.
Isla :-
“Kiss me. Kiss me as if it were the last time.”
“Play it once, Sam. For old times’ sake”
“‘Einkels…” It’s almost certainly one of 264 Sqn’s aircraft, and Mark’s listing (with EN830s revision) seems the most likely candidates. Mark, what’s the definitive list for Defiant losses? Is Fighter Command Losses accurate? Cheers!
FCL list’s several Defiants as being lost or damaged during May 1940. From a quick flick through last night, it appeared that these were the most likely candidates. The rest appear to have come down in the sea or made it back to the UK.
15 September 1940, Sgt Ray Holmes was the pilot of a 504 Sqn Hurricane P2725 (TM~B) that rammed a Do17 that he thought was intent on bombing Buckingham Palace and then bailed out. His a/c crashed into the junction between Buckingham Palace rd and Ebury Bridge, the tailess bomber crashed into part of Victoria Station.
Substantial remains of the Hurricane were recovered from a depth of 12ft under the junction during an excavation on 29/30 May 2004 during a live televised Channel 5 programme during which Ray Holmes present. Though he was more interest in the young lady TV Presenter, than the actual dig.
On 13th May 1940, 6 Defiants of B flight of 264 Sqn were patrolling near the Hague. While attacking Ju 87Bs they were bounced by Bf 109Es. Five of the six Defiants were shot down against four Ju 87s and one Bf 109E.
Only 4 are listed in FCL
L6958
P/O Thomas, LAC J S M Bromley – Crashed south of Rotterdam
L6960
P/O G E Chandler LAC D L McLeish – also crashed south of Rotterdam.
L6969 ‘T’
F/Lt G Skelton, P/O Hatfield crashed in the Netherlands
L6977
P/O Greenhous, Sgt Greenhalgh, shot down over Dunkirk, crew survived and evaded.
I don’t doubt what has already been said, but is picture 1 the same aircraft as picture 2 ? If so there is not much left of (or any evidence) of the turret. Also did the Defiant have wing mounted radiators, as it appears that just below the lad with the large stick that there are the remains of a starboard side wing mounted radiator.
And as Mark say’s the tail flash appears to be French !!!! Even if the neg had been reversed this would still be wrong.
I’ve done a quick Google and thought this could in fact be a Dewoitine, but on further study I was wrong.
I can just make out Hugh Coughlan in the photo on the left of 137 Sqn Whirlwinds, he survived the war and was the God father of a friend of mine.