For the coats and the big fluffy dogs.
I love this comment :-
If you’re born free you’re free to think that freedom is a natural state, and free to think that your own freedom owes nothing to some gung-ho old dead guy with a rack of initials after his name.
Classic !
Ah…..Spitfire Vb EN830! π
Quite right and a direct link to the Great Escape.
It’s still a fine film in itself, very entertaining and I have it on DVD, but I object to the film makers simply making up their own characters and heroics and spectacle just to please some Yanks in the audience.
Quite right, however Americans played a big part in the preparation and build up to the tunnels being started, until they were moved to another compound.
The tunneller getting clostraphobia was a nonsense, suggested to them by the actor himself (was it Charles Bronson?) because he had the fear of enclosed spaces himself.
Claustrophobia was prevalent, I don’t have my books to hand, but if I recall correctly Wings Day suffered from it, but managed to keep it from his fellow escapers. OK one of the escapees getting an attack in the tunnel was probably fictional, but it was used to show the conditions that the POW’s were working in and the constant threat of falls etc.
The forger going blind and then getting killed was also nonsense. And the two American characters, Garner and McQueen, were as I understand it totally fictional.
Though no direct comparison it is generally accepted that McQueen’s character was based on a POW called Jerry Sage, and maybe also FLt Mahon of 121 Sqn Eagle Squadron. Garners was possibly based on a POW who insisted on being called Marcel “Axel” Zillessen.
Are real British or Commonwealth characters not interesting enough to make as the lead rather than some faked Yanks?
Not when you are trying to sell a film to a large American audience, don’t forget Coburn played an Aussie escaper !
An interesting true story is one of the 50 murdered escapees was a Maori bomber pilot, how he thought he’d get away through Europe is beyond me and that takes great courage.
Maybe to a NZ audience, but you forget this film is entertainment based on a true story, unlike the programme aired last night it was not made as a documentary. When I met Sydney Dowse ten years ago last September, he told me that he had asked why he the names and characters were changed in the film. Brickhill claimed to protect those who survived and also because is was not made to be an exact documentary of the events, more of a representation.
The whole scenario of how the tunnel was discovered during the mass escape was also fudged.
You’ve lost me there, in what way ? The names of the tunnels were certainly mixed up and the entry routes changed between the tunnels, the film showing the trap being through the floor of the wash room, when in reality this was the entrance for Dick, the tunnel that was never found. The actual discovery of the escapers was fairly close to the real thing, so not sure how you come to the conclusion it was fudged.
My opinion is make it a factual film or a fictional film but not both.
In that case of the Great Escape, it would have been impossible to make a more factual film and keep the audience entertained, why ? Because the construction of the tunnel took the best part of 12 months, much of what went on was boring mundane stuff, to make this film more interesting/entertaining the producer injected events that happened, but not necessarily in direct relation to the escape itself. One criticism made about the film is that is never showed the boredom inflicted on the inmates.
Examples :-
The blitz escape effected by McQueen and Lennie as moles was actually undertaken by Jack Best and Bill Goldfinch, they ended up at Colditz and were responsible for the Colditz Glider.
Several prisoners try hiding in an outgoing lorry loaded with cut tree branches.
The scene where the POW falls through the bunks after the bed boards are removed in based on a true event.
The scene where McQueen finds the blind spot in the fence was based on a true attempt by POW called Toft and Nichols, they were quickly recaptured.
Carol singing to disguise the make of equipment etc, happened and the Germans never picked up on the fact it was no where near Christmas.
There are others but as it has gone mid-night I’m off to bed.
One widely known fact, but I repeat it here out of interest is that Donald Pleasence had been a real-life POW being shot down in a 166 Sqn Lancaster 31 August – 1 September 1944.
It’s high time a decent film was made about The Great Escape, telling the true story and not the hyped up Hollywood nonsense of the 1960’s version with motorbykes and plane crashes and closterphobic tunnellers and make-believe American charcaters. The true story is better thanthe fiction.
Dave, though the film was manipulated to make it more appealing to the general masses, much of what was featured happened at one time or another, that is except for the bike ride and the plane crash, though two POW’s did at one time escape and try to steal an aircraft. The making of illicit alcohol is documented in various books, the various and sometimes far fetched escape attempts are also quite close to the real ones. If the film makers had gone true to the real Great Escape, the audience would have been bored stupid.
The one thing I think may have been wrong in the programme was the picture of Bushell stood in front of a Hurricane, he may have flown a Hurricane, but to the best of my knowledge he went from Blenheims to Spitfires and was shot down in a Spitfire of 92 Sqn, 23 May 1940. Several well respected books on the subject continue to list him as flying a Hurricane on this day.
Despite Moggy’s reservations I thought the programme was fine.
An interesting programme, if you haven’t, read The Cage which is about McKenna’s search for the murderers.
I think Eric Brown commented on this when the time came to test fly captured Arado 234s. Each engine was considered a time bomb !
I recall that one blew up on him at the end of a runway.
According to Eric “Winkle” Brown they had a life span of 20 hours, they were then scrap !
Does there exist a governing body that annually audits all trustees of historic aviation trusts and museums for the public donor and taxpayers benefit,
Wouldn’t that be the Audit Commission?
making sure that there is no perversion of the privileged trustee position and that they donβt financially benefit in any way short or long term through hidden dealings.
The only way a trustee should benefit is by being remunerated for his services, he has a duty to preserve the value of any assets under his trusteeship and any actions undertaken have to be to the benefit of the trust and to the beneficiaries. If he was to benefit from the sale of a trust asset he would be in beach of his fiduciary duties and could end up playing Mummies and Daddies in a cell with big Ed !
I am not that familiar with the workings of government supported trusts, my area is the offshore private variety, however I would expect there to be a covenant or deed in place which places strict guidelines on the trustees and what they can do, there may also be an appointed independent protector who has to approve all actions. But that is a pure guess.
Andy, you are of course right, however I also have Men in Blue so can refer to that over the weekend if required.
I have a copy, but it’s somewhere in a box in my loft.
There is a book about 600 Sqn, I believe called Flying Sword.
I researched the history of one of their pilots, but nothing involving Hendon.
I wish I had had my camera today as I was walking through St Helier at lunchtime, I saw a superb shot of two Kenyans buying their poppies from a Chelsea pensioner, and then walking up King St proudly displaying them.
We are, including Jersey, a multicultural country built on the backbone of migration over the centuries, some forced, other by invasion or as migrant work force. The indigenous peoples of the UK are a mongrel species as any DNA test would show.
I wish I had had my camera today as I was walking through St Helier at lunchtime, I saw a superb shot of two Kenyans buying their poppies from a Chelsea pensioner, and then walking up King St proudly displaying them.
We are, including Jersey, a multicultural country built on the backbone of migration over the centuries, some forced, other by invasion or as migrant work force. The indigenous peoples of the UK are a mongrel species as any DNA test would show.
may be not
“Abraham Gancwajch”
Not exactly a Nazi was he, more of a collaborator.