RE: so funny…

GarryB

Not bloodthirsty history shows that neither are particularly good at waging conflict, and come to think of it appeasement either.

The West’s involvement in the Bolshevik ‘revolution’ Civil War was not exactly in the same league as the French invasion of the early 1800’s or Mr Hitters attempt in 1941.

We all realise this war is going to happen no matter what we say or think, or what ever obstacles the French, Germans, Russians or Belgians put in the way.

Lets prey and hope that it is quick and decisive, once it is over I wonder which countries will be queuing up to pick over the bones???

RE: Increased security at London Heathrow.

I think Kev35 hit the nail on the head, it’s just big publicity stunt on behalf of Mr Blair and his cronies.

1. If Mr Bin Liner and his followers were going to Hi-jack an aircraft would they actually take one from Heathrow where security is compared to many countries pretty tight already? My guess is that he would take his chance in one of the North African countries where he will have some sort of local following.

2. Would he crash it into one of the airports when there are much more juicier targets in central London. In which case as someone has already pointed out what good are a few light tank and squaddies patrolling Heathrow airport.

3. If he has smuggled shoulder launched SAM’s to his undoubted supporters in the UK, don’t you think Special Branch and MI5/6 know this and have these people targeted, they know their every move, and would be ready to jump at the first sign of trouble.

4. Is Heathrow such an obvious target that they may just choose another more regional airport, Bristol, Cardiff, Southampton, East Midlands all spring to mind, even Luton or Stanstead all have large aircraft flying in and out off on a regular basis each presenting a nice fat target.

5. If it is an airbourne threat then would a couple of F3’s patrolling along the SOuth Coast be a much better idea than Tanks at Heathrow.

There are many questions which spring to mind, personally I think it’s another example of New Labour spin, has anyone seen Alastair Cample lately?

RE: so funny…

Strange that Belgium has sided with the Germans and French considering that in the past two hundred years her lands have been used by both to stage some very large Franco German military exercises.

The French have always had their own agenda, in 1991 they were going to do the Gulf war their way until pulled in line at the last moment. History shows us that in general the French aren’t very good at fighting, their idolised dictator stalled at the gates of Moscow just as his German counterpart did 150 years later.

Would Vietnam have happened the way it did if the French hadn’t been as arrogant as they were over their Indo China “possessions”? Algiers another fine example of French colonialism.

Germany’s two attempts at world domination are well portrayed through the fields of Flanders and the beaches of Normandy.

Basically the EU is a failed attempt by the Franco German alliance to reap revenge on an age-old foe, one that they have failed to subdue on a regular basis over the past 1000 years.

Unfortunately the UK economy is now the strongest in Europe, where are the French and Germans?

Where will the French and Germans be if their cities are targeted by these terrorist, hasn’t Shrouder just had a humiliating defeat because of his refusal to back the US lead alliance?

I personally don’t think Saddam Hussain is worth the life of one British Fighting man, but if this means he is taken out for once and for all, then so be it. Unfortunately where does it stop, Iran and North Korea are a totally different kettle of fish.

As to NATO has France rejoined

RE: F-4D

I like F4’s but I must admit that I quite like the Slow Heavy but powerful RAF version with the Spey Engines.

There are other parafin burners that I like as attached, but at the end of the day you can’t beat a Merlin in any form.

Ian
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RE: Which Spit is this?

The Poles are always being forgotten, wheren’t the two Polish Squadrons omitted from the Kent BoB memorial when it was unveiled?

Ian

RE: The Stone

Hi Snapper

Glad to hear about the stone, how much are you short are you on the funds front?

If you go for the bench as well, make sure it is bolted down with at least 3 ton of concrete otherwise some passing idiot will be inclind to “borrow” it. The other down side with the bench is the maintenance of it, and the temptation to carve one name in it.

Are you still aiming for the 14th Feb?

Ian

Luftwaffe Aircraft Lost Around the Channel Islands

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 22-12-02 AT 09:01 PM (GMT)]Attached is a list of Luftwaffe aircraft lost around the Channel Islands, any help with details of crew, unit would be appreciated.

Jul-40 Guernsey Landing Accident
29/07/40 HE111 Guernsey Crashed into sea Crew OK
09/08/40 ME109F-1 Guernsey Airport Collided with Flak position 3 Gunners Killed
13/08/40 JU87R Guernsey Damaged in combat crashed in sea 2 x crew killed
13/08/40 ME109E-4 Guernsey Take off collision aerodrome pilot unhurt
23/08/40 JU52 Airport Jersey
25/09/40 Do18 Guernsey Shot down by Blenheim
01/11/40 Do17P Crashed at La Pulante Jersey Engine Failure 4 x KIA
03/11/40 JU88A-1 Airport Jersey Techinical Failure Crew OK
05/11/40 BU131 Rozel Jersey Chute failed to open pilot KIA
05/11/40 JU88A-1 Airport Jersey
07/11/40 JU52 Airport Jersey
19/11/40 HE111 Crashed brtween the Isles of Jethou and Crevichon Blew up Crew KIA
16/01/41 JU52 Crashed off St Catherines Jersey
22/01/41 JU88A-5 Airport Jersey Crew OK
Feb-41 JU52 Airport Jersey x 3
03/10/41 JU88A-5 Airport Jersey Collided with another JU88 Crew OK
14/03/41 JU88A-5 Corbiere Jersey Crew KIA
29/12/41 ME109F-2 Crashed at St Ouen Jersey Engine Failure Pilot Hurt but OK
02/01/42 Crashed at Bouley Bay Jersey Shot down by RAF aircraft
13/06/43 Seaplane North Jersey Damaged during take off crew Hurt but OK
23/08/43 FW190 Crashed on shell beach on the Isle of Herm accidentatlly Shot down by flak
07/03/44 FW190 Crashed at La Ponchez, Castel, Guernsey Pilot KIA
19/03/44 HE177 SW Guernsey Shot down by Beaufighter
Apr-44 JU88 Crashed off of Alderney Shot down by Night-fighter
06/04/44 JU88A-4 Crashed at Eden Chapel Jersey Shot down in error by flak Crew x 4 KIA
23/05/44 Unknown Aircraft Washed ashore La Rocque Jersey
20/06/44 HE111 Crashed in flames at Samares Jersey

Kind regards and a Merry Christmas from a dry and mild Jersey.

Ian Le Sueur
Kind regards

Ian Le Sueur

RE: RAF Squadron Markings.

Hi Kev35

A few suggestions for you.

No 1 Squadron had a winged figure one, which is probably self explanatory

No.3 had a Cockatrice stood upon a monolith as a reference to it;s connection to Stonehenge “Upavon !!!”

137 Sqnaudron had a horses head as an association with the county of Kent from where it flew many of it’s operations !!!!

263 had a Lion and Flag of Norway as a reference to the units connection with both countries.

131 Sqn had a White Horse as recognition of the Squadron being adopted by the county.

600 Sqn crescent moon crossed by a sword represents the night fighting
role of the Squadron and it’s association with the City of London.

Ian