j_jza80There is another thread on a similar subject on here, and the census results confirm what many already suspected. Labour were importing voters en mass.
Their policies were extremely irresponsible, and have already caused immeasurable damage.
They alone are responsible for the consequences of this, history tells us that mass migration rarely ends in anything but misery, violence and death.
j_jza80Most probable, I’d vote for the labour party as it’s a party quite deared here in Newcastle and it was due to Maggie Thatcher and the conservatives that all our industries in the North East were put out of work and now we don’t have any like mining and shipbuilding
I’m also from the north, but my perspective of those events is different. To me, it was unions demanding unrealistic pay and conditions that contributed to the destruction of those industries.
j_jza80Most probable, I’d vote for the labour party as it’s a party quite deared here in Newcastle and it was due to Maggie Thatcher and the conservatives that all our industries in the North East were put out of work and now we don’t have any like mining and shipbuilding
I’m also from the north, but my perspective of those events is different. To me, it was unions demanding unrealistic pay and conditions that contributed to the destruction of those industries.
j_jza80Utter lunacy would be my first thought! 😀
It would be great though, the lack of a surviving C class is a great hole in our heritage.
Are there any substantial wrecks anywhere?
j_jza80Anyone know what happened to the old aeroplane they were selling?
Moggy
no, but I’m willing to offer permanent free storage here :diablo:
j_jza80Anyone know what happened to the old aeroplane they were selling?
Moggy
no, but I’m willing to offer permanent free storage here :diablo:
j_jza80This country is in a financial mess (all parties agree on that) but we must be careful how we define ‘mess’. ‘Growth’ in the economy in 2012, is, or is predicted to be, about 0% (so the economy has ‘shrunk’ because ‘normal’ growth is about 2%). But what does that actually mean? The economy is 98% of the size it would be if we weren’t in a recession? That doesn’t sound too bad does it?
But it isn’t 98% of what it should be, it’s supported by huge borrowing. Remove that and what happens?
There is a need to cut back on public spending (again all the main parties seem to agree on this) because the UK has consistently spent more money than it has earned (even in the good times)! So that means ‘austerity’; even Labour is beginning to talk about ‘hard choices’ (that’s austerity to you and me).
Yet Labour use every spending cut as an opportunity to stick the knife in. The Lanour party have not grasped the trouble we’re in – the shadow chancellor doesn’t even seem to understand the disasterous legacy that he left us with.
The UK is in debt and is still spending too much! You can’t borrow your way out of debt so the money is going to have to come from you-and-I, the taxpayer (in one form or another), and most of us have debt problems of our own! So there IS NOT going to be an easy, painless way out of this…
…and any party that tells you there is…..is lying to get your vote!
😉
I 100% agree. But it’s going to be very tough for us all. The new line is “austerity until 2018”. – rubbish. All that shows is that this current ‘abomolishion
‘ haven’t got a grasp either. Until they stop the deficit, there’s no way of telling.
I’m sorry but I find the ‘policies’ of UKIP a joke. Leaving the EU would place barriers between the UK and our major market and force foreign investment to leave the UK, so destroying much of our remaining industry. The UK financial heart, ‘the City’, in London would cease to be the powerhouse that it is and the UK would be plunged into a real recession, probably lasting decades.
‘Tackle Foreign Aid’? What the hell does that mean? UKIP, or somebody, should look-up how much the UK actually spends in foreign aid; it sounds a lot of money but the reality is that it is a tiny figure. If you scrapped aid completely how much would you actually have?
‘Immigration’? Although a vote-winner, what actually are the ‘problems’ of immigration? In reality the immigrant workers do lots of jobs that the UK unemployed will not do and much industry, farming and the public sector, such as the NHS, could not function without these workers.
No, sorry, UKIP policies are a joke; it all sounds so simple but the sums don’t add-up.
Our membership of the EU doesn’t seem to be helping us now? They keep introducing expensive policies that are making us uncompetitive internationally. Plenty of countries have great trading relationships with Europe without being governed by them. And plenty of that money we send to the EU goes to countries outside the EU!
Foreign aid is a joke. It is not the place of governments to send the people’s money abroad. If people want to donate to foreign causes, that should be a personal choice. Plus, we’re having to borrow money from abroad to spend on foreign aid – this is the infuriating culture that we live in, and it needs to change.
Open door immigration is harming our economy. These foreign worker are taking jobs away from British citizens, though it isn’t their fault. The benefits culture has given indigenous people an alternative to working, so many (not all) just sit around on there arses claiming, because they see basic jobs as ‘below them’. Plus, many of them are sending money home, which is definitely harming the economy.
Also, look at the statistics for ethnicity in the Prison population. They are alarming! The lefties would brand me a racist for even suggesting such – but not acknowledging the facts is ridiculous.
In summary, I’m saying that we need a change in culture. Changing the odd policy is not enough, people need to work, and there should be no alternative. There are plenty of jobs that almost anyone claiming off the system can do, even the disabled. No one should get a free ride!
We need to stop sending money abroad, buying cheap from China et al is costing us all. There needs to be a culture of buying British, and being proud of it.
None of the 3 main parties will offer any of this change, and so I’ll be looking elsewhere come election time.
j_jza80This country is in a financial mess (all parties agree on that) but we must be careful how we define ‘mess’. ‘Growth’ in the economy in 2012, is, or is predicted to be, about 0% (so the economy has ‘shrunk’ because ‘normal’ growth is about 2%). But what does that actually mean? The economy is 98% of the size it would be if we weren’t in a recession? That doesn’t sound too bad does it?
But it isn’t 98% of what it should be, it’s supported by huge borrowing. Remove that and what happens?
There is a need to cut back on public spending (again all the main parties seem to agree on this) because the UK has consistently spent more money than it has earned (even in the good times)! So that means ‘austerity’; even Labour is beginning to talk about ‘hard choices’ (that’s austerity to you and me).
Yet Labour use every spending cut as an opportunity to stick the knife in. The Lanour party have not grasped the trouble we’re in – the shadow chancellor doesn’t even seem to understand the disasterous legacy that he left us with.
The UK is in debt and is still spending too much! You can’t borrow your way out of debt so the money is going to have to come from you-and-I, the taxpayer (in one form or another), and most of us have debt problems of our own! So there IS NOT going to be an easy, painless way out of this…
…and any party that tells you there is…..is lying to get your vote!
😉
I 100% agree. But it’s going to be very tough for us all. The new line is “austerity until 2018”. – rubbish. All that shows is that this current ‘abomolishion
‘ haven’t got a grasp either. Until they stop the deficit, there’s no way of telling.
I’m sorry but I find the ‘policies’ of UKIP a joke. Leaving the EU would place barriers between the UK and our major market and force foreign investment to leave the UK, so destroying much of our remaining industry. The UK financial heart, ‘the City’, in London would cease to be the powerhouse that it is and the UK would be plunged into a real recession, probably lasting decades.
‘Tackle Foreign Aid’? What the hell does that mean? UKIP, or somebody, should look-up how much the UK actually spends in foreign aid; it sounds a lot of money but the reality is that it is a tiny figure. If you scrapped aid completely how much would you actually have?
‘Immigration’? Although a vote-winner, what actually are the ‘problems’ of immigration? In reality the immigrant workers do lots of jobs that the UK unemployed will not do and much industry, farming and the public sector, such as the NHS, could not function without these workers.
No, sorry, UKIP policies are a joke; it all sounds so simple but the sums don’t add-up.
Our membership of the EU doesn’t seem to be helping us now? They keep introducing expensive policies that are making us uncompetitive internationally. Plenty of countries have great trading relationships with Europe without being governed by them. And plenty of that money we send to the EU goes to countries outside the EU!
Foreign aid is a joke. It is not the place of governments to send the people’s money abroad. If people want to donate to foreign causes, that should be a personal choice. Plus, we’re having to borrow money from abroad to spend on foreign aid – this is the infuriating culture that we live in, and it needs to change.
Open door immigration is harming our economy. These foreign worker are taking jobs away from British citizens, though it isn’t their fault. The benefits culture has given indigenous people an alternative to working, so many (not all) just sit around on there arses claiming, because they see basic jobs as ‘below them’. Plus, many of them are sending money home, which is definitely harming the economy.
Also, look at the statistics for ethnicity in the Prison population. They are alarming! The lefties would brand me a racist for even suggesting such – but not acknowledging the facts is ridiculous.
In summary, I’m saying that we need a change in culture. Changing the odd policy is not enough, people need to work, and there should be no alternative. There are plenty of jobs that almost anyone claiming off the system can do, even the disabled. No one should get a free ride!
We need to stop sending money abroad, buying cheap from China et al is costing us all. There needs to be a culture of buying British, and being proud of it.
None of the 3 main parties will offer any of this change, and so I’ll be looking elsewhere come election time.
j_jza80Surprisingly I do agree with all of that, please explain then why the present collection of old school “chums” are busily attacking front line staff both in numbers and pay.
I thought according to many, Labour were the party of too many chiefs and not enough indians, this bunch are absolutely ace at finding useless nonessential jobs for a select few, then trying to cut the wages of those who actually do the work.
As I said earlier, there’s no defining the 3 main parties now, the lines between them are so blurred. Voting for any of the 3 of them is a vote to continue the ongoing lunacy.
Politics in the UK is long overdue a shakeup, hopefully UKIP and other traditionally minor parties will do just that. The politicians have become complacent.
j_jza80Surprisingly I do agree with all of that, please explain then why the present collection of old school “chums” are busily attacking front line staff both in numbers and pay.
I thought according to many, Labour were the party of too many chiefs and not enough indians, this bunch are absolutely ace at finding useless nonessential jobs for a select few, then trying to cut the wages of those who actually do the work.
As I said earlier, there’s no defining the 3 main parties now, the lines between them are so blurred. Voting for any of the 3 of them is a vote to continue the ongoing lunacy.
Politics in the UK is long overdue a shakeup, hopefully UKIP and other traditionally minor parties will do just that. The politicians have become complacent.
j_jza80For all their faults Labour is by far the best option
I don’t agree, at all.
Labours strategy would be to borrow their way out of our troubles. That ship sailed a long time ago! The debt, and deficit are too large.
Have you ever heard of anyone borrowing their way out of debt? I have, it ends in an IVA or bankruptcy, any years of financial pain. And your credit rating is permanently screwed.
The public sector needs a serious overall. It’s become bloated, a beaurocratic nightmare that is perpetually seeking more money. There are thousands of civil servants on top draw salaries that seem to contribute very little other than forming committees.
Leftist politics do not work when there’s no cash in the coffers. Look at the history of the USSR for proof.
j_jza80For all their faults Labour is by far the best option
I don’t agree, at all.
Labours strategy would be to borrow their way out of our troubles. That ship sailed a long time ago! The debt, and deficit are too large.
Have you ever heard of anyone borrowing their way out of debt? I have, it ends in an IVA or bankruptcy, any years of financial pain. And your credit rating is permanently screwed.
The public sector needs a serious overall. It’s become bloated, a beaurocratic nightmare that is perpetually seeking more money. There are thousands of civil servants on top draw salaries that seem to contribute very little other than forming committees.
Leftist politics do not work when there’s no cash in the coffers. Look at the history of the USSR for proof.
j_jza80UKIP is a fringe, single-issue party. I dread to think what amateurishness they would bring to the country’s finances.
That had crossed my mind too, but could they really do much worse than Labour?
Realistically, UKIP don’t stand a chance against either Labour or Conservatives in the next election, but an agreement with the Conservatives or possibly another Coalition seem likely. Either way we’d see a referendum on the EU, and a change on immigration, which I want.
j_jza80UKIP is a fringe, single-issue party. I dread to think what amateurishness they would bring to the country’s finances.
That had crossed my mind too, but could they really do much worse than Labour?
Realistically, UKIP don’t stand a chance against either Labour or Conservatives in the next election, but an agreement with the Conservatives or possibly another Coalition seem likely. Either way we’d see a referendum on the EU, and a change on immigration, which I want.
j_jza80I too, like others, would vote for UKIP…
If The Aviation Forum‘s poll is anything to go by, it’s starting to look like Nigel can expect a landslide victory in 2015? :p
I wouldn’t go that far, but from what I can tell UKIP are now the 3rd party behind the big two, LibDems are finished.
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