As for that Cityjet Bae146 shot. Didn’t they eventually operate as a franchisee of Air France in full AF livery?
They still do, don’t they?
It’s only when you look at a thread like this that you realise how many types have operated in Virgin colours over the years, and that they weren’t always so image conscious as they are now.
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Apologies for not spotting this before.
No need to apologise PMN. We like a bit of healthy debate. I absolutely agree with the points you have made.
I don’t want anyone to think I am making excuses for the crew or Jet2. As I said before
I was certainly not defending the crew. I was merely suggesting that there may have been a reason for it, rather than simple lack of interest.
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Hi PMN,
I absolutely agree with your feelings about poor customer service, it is not acceptable, and I hope that came across in my post.
I was certainly not defending the crew. I was merely suggesting that there may have been a reason for it, rather than simple lack of interest.
I agree with everything you said in your reply with one exception.
If they did indeed have a bad experience on the way to AMS, which accounted for them being somewhat nervous on the return journey, I’m sorry to say but as a passenger my view on this is very simple. It’s their job to stay calm. It’s what they get paid to do,
If we are talking about serious problem then being calm is one thing, being scared is another. I am well aware that passengers expect our manner to reassure and instill confidence, and that is as it should be. I flatter myself that I haven’t ever been scared on an aircraft in the many years I have been flying, but never say never. I think you are forgetting one basic point of human nature though. If you are scared you are scared. You cannot be taught not to be, and you certainly cannot be paid not to be. Unfortunately all cabin crew have a flaw… we are human.
If this is the case (and I am of course speculating) then clearly there are issues to be addressed. Perhaps the crew should not have operated your sector.
The point I am making is the let the airline answer your complaints. If there are issues then hopefully they will explain them to you and learn from them.
1L.
PMN,
As the others have said if you aren’t happy with Jet2 then you should write and tell them.
That said can I run a few thoughts past you.
I’m curious as to how busy the flight was, but I’m going to assume it was fairly busy.
Offering a drinks service by hand rather than from a trolley is a pain in the butt, I can’t imagine any crew choosing to do so, so I suspect they had their reasons.
Offering by hand also doesn’t change the number of people who want a drink. So again no benefit to the crew, which again suggests they had a reason.
A drinks service on a 733 (an aircraft I worked on for many years) that takes 15 minutes isn’t particularily quick, in fact I would say it’s quite slow.
Several of you have said that you have always found Jet 2 to be a good airline, which again suggest that there may have been a specific problem.
I know you said you didn’t have a problem with the turbluence theory, but worth mentioning that turbulence is a funny thing to predict. I’m sure you know that it can be expected and never materialise, or vice versa, or you can have a really rough outbound sector, then a dead smooth return an hour later.
Given that you said the crew seemed a little uneasy, I wonder if they have had a bad experience with turbulence on the previous sector which made them a little overly cautious on your flight.
Of course someone skilled in dealing with people would have been able to deal with this without leaving the perceptions that you were left with. And that is where I think they have failed. Perhaps part of the problem is lack of experience. By it’s very nature as a relatively new company Jet2’s cabin crew will mostly be fairly new to the role.
Of course it may just be that the crew were having a bad day, needed to get the bars counted and couldn’t be bothered, but if you write to Jet2 (or had spoken to the senior crew member at the time) you have a chance of getting a proper explanation if there was one. And if there wasn’t one then the crew in question can be spoken to, to ensure an improvement next time.
Let us know if you do write,
1L.
I don’t know anyone in the company who won’t agree that we have too many managers. This is good news as far as I am concerned.
It is however not accurate to say that this is a 35% reduction in the number of managers. It is 35% of senior and middle managers. If you include junior managers (of which we have many) is barely scratches the surface. But it’s a good start.
1L.
I too am a regular visitor to Guernsey. I usually fly with Aurigny. My personal feeling of Rockhopper is that they are a bit of a yappy dog snapping at everyone elses heels, but in fairness they are doing very well.
I have travelled on many Aurigny Trislanders (as well as the rest of the fleet), and you will never have more fun on an aircraft. Landing at Alderney on a windy day is great fun. Even my parents loved it when I took them.
I would recommend a trip to the Channel Islands to anyone. Especially if you like regional flying on small aircraft.
1L.
This is one thing I cannot not understand though, how is that the LCC’s can afford to sell the seats as such a low price, and yet still make a profit… :confused:
Because they don’t sell more than a handfull of seats on each flight at the prices they shout about. I remember some time ago booking LGW-TLS-LGW for a friend and got Club Europe on BA for considerably less than I could have booked EZY.
Nordjet, I’ve just tried various dates in Feb and Mar and got the same price as MarkL, £555, on all 4 of the dates I tried.
1L.
so maybe given the profitable revenues they so often trumpet, they could do something for a bunch of elderly church goers
I’d like to think so. If only MO’L thought like the you and I.
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Ren,
Don’t get me wrong, I’m the last person to defend this treatment of passengers as right.
You raise an interesting point about putting people off loco’s. I remember quite a while back reading an article in a newspaper business section about potentially how quickly FR’s poor treatment could in theory result in no-one being willing to travel with them. Don’t they say a happy customer tells 2 people, an unhappy one tells 9? So potentially every 100 unhappy passengers loses 1000 potential future passengers.
Of course some people will put up with anything for a low price.
1L.
In fairness to FR (and there’s something I don’t often say!) their cancellation policy is no secret. It’s there for everyone to see.
What amazes me is that people never learn and carry on booking with them, then complain when it goes wrong.
You pay your money, you take you chance.
1L.
Now, having defended FR, I must go and lie in a darkened room.
Not sure if it’s fake but I do see what you mean about the shadows.
These LAX shots are impressive, but I always feel that if you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all.
1L.
Is anywhere on earth more confused than Lagos?
1L.
Don’t forget TLV.
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lbaspotter,
Have another read through the thread mate.
There are 4 more 767’s going to longhaul, not leaving. There will be 14 longhaul config and 7 shorthaul config once the refits are completed.
1L.
Great pictures, every one of them.
Always like to see Aurigny aircraft.
The KLM Fokker reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask you guys for ages.
Does Air UK (KLM UK) still operate or is it all operated from AMS now?
1L.