forget the vulcan for five minutes, and think back to pre-vulcan days. Remember the air of expectancy when pelican 16 was on its way over here?… it draws comparison to the p-38 glacier gal story…
When I was 17 I got ever so excited when I saw a shack flying low over my school. As it turns out, it was AA’s Mr. mchenry on its way stateside. The support for a shack flying over here is strong, but is not comparable to a lanc or the vulcan. Everyone is getting in a lather over the p-40 at TFC or the p-38 which almost made it…if someone was to bring a shack back here and be able to display it, it would receive applause as much as the next classic.
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Isnt there a lanc being restored in France somewhere in Aeronavale colours?
Martin
To put it simply… I don’t know. Nice thought though.
As for the cyprus shacks – if the interest was there, I’m sure they could be made to fly.
I’d love to see a lanc in canada’s maritime colours fly. It would be 100% authentic and would be so completely different to what is expected! i remember the Strathallan lanc….:(
Mr. Weeks has too many toys (although I’m sure he would disagree) for his collection be expanded… Its good that he has so many rare and significant airframes in store, but needs a beter policy for looking after the ones he has got.. (see Sunderland). I would love for him to get the lanc going, but I’d also love to see the sunderland turreted up and painted properly…
In all honesty, the next lanc/shack to fly after the AA shack’s one off ferry flight, I believe will be one of the Canadian ones. As has been said, its all down to $$$$$$
Surprisingly, I have received more support than criticism, so I can’t complain:D The lottery would be best approached for match funding, so find half and they with match it (as opposed to them providing a match and torching the whole thing….). There are several other sources of funds providing the company can be made into an educational resource (which is easy), and we can prove that we are serious (which is difficult). Hangar space off airfield is not a problem, especially for the first few years while components are collected and items made (ie. tail assembly). All things considered, a static replical would be reletively easy to to…(all things are reletive)
The hardest part would be setting up a company to include certain approvals (EASA pt. 145 will probably cover aircraft below 5000Kg by then)
603 was being pruned by the 558 guys, and they have to have priority! That said, I’ll have to persuade the management to get in touch with woodford…
engines?…. So far modded kestrels seem the best option. But that’s to worry about alot later on. I need two million quid and a hangar first….:D This is LONG term!…….
Jet pipe end caps?…. how bad are the old ones?… fancy giving them away / selling them to an aircraft which really needs them? XL319 at NEAM is about to undergo an overhaul and we are probably going to have to make new ones… Also, any other bits which are not suitable for your needs would be greatfully received oop north…. maybe an exchange system could be organised. It’s been a long time since 319 was fired up, but internally, she hasn’t suffered badly… I’m sure a deal could be arranged
The spar material used on PA474 was left over material from the 1970’s Shackleton respar programme on the AEW aircraft. I cannot foresee a big demand for Lancaster / Shanckleton spars. The Weeks machine shows no signs of coming out of store and I cannot see any other demand in Canada.
As for the South African Shackleton – the will to operate her further is probably there but I doubt there is much money to do it.
Overall I doubt the demand would exceed two sets.
such a defeatist… 😀
That would no doubt show itself in the talks with BAe, which I have no part or interest in….Like I said, this is all from conversations with various people connected to the two coventry shacks. Alot can change in six months, and I am quite sure that the people involved would have the sense to contact potential buyers before completeing the order….
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IThe Shackleton Association were in talks with BAe Systems regarding a production run of ten full sets of spars. Costs could be covered by selling the remaining 8 sets (less AA’s shack and their own also at Coventry)
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1 for the MK3 in SA, two for AA…
1 for Just Jane?:) (was shack spar billet which was used for PA474 IIRC?)
1 for Mr Weeks?
Thats five I can take a stab at, anyone else looking for a set of 4 engine Avro spars, or is there a special offer on 8 sets at the moment?
We tried to think of ten lanc/shacks too….
BBMF
Just Jane
Weeks
Canadian Lanc (maybe x2….)
Lanc in Oz / NZ (if the spars and the interest are there, why not?…)
South African Shack
AA Shack (Mr. McHenry)
Shack at Coventry
there’s 8 or nine possibles…. something about costs being cheaper for a limited production run of minimum 10…
PA474 had the spar caps replaced some years ago, and will be due again at some point. I don’t think they were new caps….
so what is the problem?
Is Bruce Dickenson of Iron Maiden fame still one VRT’s guest drivers?… he mentioned the southend vulcan when I bumped into him at coventry earlier in the year
I have been in touch with Westlands at Yeovil and can categorically say that there is no Whirlwind at their site. It is true that their company hack was buried there having served as a fire rescue training aid (and was burnt considerably). During the 1970’s the airframe was exhumed from the north side of the airfield and removed by persons unknown for disposal. It was in danger of contaminating a nearby stream, and was removed along with a substantial quantity of soil. The records for the removal either do not exist, or are not in circulation, and Westlands have no idea of the company used for its disposal. The engines were scrapped as has been discussed elsewhere on this thread.
So far, Airframe Assemblies’ Steve Vizard has the only substantial remains unless one of the crash sites can be accessed.
The estimated cost of a rebuild/new build to airworthy status would be somewhere in the region of two million GBP, and a good static would be several hundred thousand.
Later this year, I will be forming an engineering company with this project in mind, amongst other aircraft (less exotic) propositions under EASA part M and hopefully 145/147 approvals. I am continuing to find the locations of all known documentation for the Whirlwind for collection / copy at a later date. If you have any which has not been published on the web, could you please just let me know what you have?…..(I don’t want it…. yet….)
I just hope for the sake of our industry as a whole, that this project will be able to follow in the footsteps of certain other individuals and companies who have achieved the impossible….
Keep the good stuff coming! I’ll keep you updated as things happen (see you next year then……;) )
Right, thats it! I’ve had enough! I’m going to roll out a Burger King Victor. That’ll show ya! :p
Any other sponsorship deals? —>
Kentucky Fried Valiant?
TSB TSR2?
There’ll be a Red Bull Sea Vixen next….
I’d be there if I could get through Yorkshire without a boat…. Any fitters jobs going at your Scampton base?
I discussed at length the plans for air atlantiques shack earlier this year, with the former chief engineer (he migrated to the Lanc project with me). As it stood in February this year:
The plan was to return the shack on a ferry flight as soon as the proposed base move was completed. Whether this move takes place was still under discussion at that time.
The Shack cannot get a permit to fly due to the fatique life of the spars, which would require a major refit irrespective of whether the spars were to be replaced.
Another group were in talks with BAe Systems regarding a production run of ten full sets of spars. Costs could be covered by selling the remaining 8 sets (less AA’s shack and the other at Coventry)
As it stands, if the shack was to fly back over here, she would be immediately grounded with no chance of ever getting airbourne again in her present condition. (She also needs a cockpit glazing change)
A proposed solution was to keep her in ‘airworthy’ trim until the major inspection could take place.
The trip to Texas was to take place during the summer after the DC6 check 4. The engineers would carry out routine maintenance and examine the feasiblility of bringing her back at a later date.
Props turning in the wind is not a major problem, but may cause damage if the movement is sustained due to lack of oil. (sorry, I’m not an expert on Griffons)
Hope some of this helps, but remember it was at the beginning of the year, and plans change rapidly….
Best person to talk to to is WILL J on here…AA classic flight’s PR guy…