Looking good guys! Did you secure the Flambards Gannet? I heard a rumour you were after it….
I don’t know enough about them to be honest… I’d go for the one which was produced in bigger numbers and saw more use in service…. just so long as it looked better than that heap in the FAA museum. (Sorry FAA people, but it looks rubbish in bare metal and not very representative of the breed – however accurate to that aircraft it may be)
She’s looking good so far. Good luck!
cheeky sod.:D You should know by now that what I say and what I mean are two completely different things…….:eek:
Also well said. There are two sides to every story. But think of it like this – a HUGE amount of money has gone into getting the delta wedge in the air, but maybe this is an investment for our industry as a whole. The more people who are inspired by 558, John Whaley’s Hunter, A N Other’s Spitfire, the better! These people will, in years to come form their own opinions of what is important and do something interesting.
The three types above inspired me when I was a kid, and so I joined the RAF to become part of the aircraft world. Since leaving I have been dragged back kicking and screaming to maintaining aircraft for a living and as a volunteer at the local museum. Added to this, I am a friend of the Guild of Aviation Artists, and as such paint the damn things when I’m not fixing them! I have evolved from looking at a spitfire/vulcan/hunter in awe, and found that compared to many other types, they can be quite boring. My interest in aviation has led me to be on the brink of forming a new company with the sole intention of bringing INTERESTING types back to life, maybe even flying… When 558 returns to the skies she will inspire the kids who see her, and one of these kids may, one day, decide to build a stirling in airworthy trim.
If you were to look back in 30 years time, and find that the sole reason you now have a flying stirling, was that the builder once saw a Vulcan and became hooked – would the money spent on 558 be worth it? I would like to think so.
(Oh, and another thing – a flying wyrven would be awesome…..)
Black painted sheet metal – could also be flap , engine cowls, nose turret cupola. There can’t be any large steel sheets like that in any aircraft, even armour plate is not that big. It must be something to do with the recovery.
see the post, three up. the link does work.
Ok, well this is my take on the bits – obviosly a wellington man would be alot more accurate…
1: Fuel tank / Oil tank
2:Fuel pipe (Too big for hyds)
3: Geodetic structure
4: Wing / Tail spar
11: Seat cover or self sealing tank cover… could also be flying jacket material
17: Oleo strut (fescalised portion with piston)
18: Wheel and Oleo strut
21: Engine bearer bits and u/c debris
The welly was fabric covered, so would the only black painted metal skin be the bomb doors?
Well, thats all I can tell. Like I said, its only guess work. Ask Brooklands… they have a better chance!
Top job… wish we could do something like that over this side of the pond…. here’s a halifax story..:
Some years ago, I visited an antiques shop in Sandwich, Kent, UK and bought an ‘air raid spotters guide’ because I am intereted in such things. Inside was a handwritten note which declared the book to be the former property of p/o Bill Ralph of 640 Sqn RAF. It said that he was killed on ops and the book passed to his brother. Following a minute or two of research I found that 640 sqn was based at RAF Leconfield flying Halibags… Less than a week later I was posted (I was in the RAF at that point). Would you believe it… RAF Leconfield. The book went home and took me with it! I still have it, framed with a painting of the halifax in which Bill Ralph was killed. I know the story of the loss (two trips from the end of a tour and the last 640 Sqn aircraft to be lost) due to Bill Norman’s 640 Sqn book.
Well done with the restoration! I love it.
For what’s worth,
Does an aircraft have to have had a glorious war record? The fact that an aircraft was designed to an air ministry specification, built and used (either in combat or training) and service men dying in it qualifies it for preservation in any museum collection.
The Brewster Buccaneer recently restored in the US is a good example of this.
The Blackburn Botha was an unsung aircraft type as well but with several hundreds produced and used in training it deserves to be preserved as well.
There are still large section of Botha scattered around the UK’s hillsides. About time to at least preserve them.Hint hint
Cees
I’ve just heard a story about a Botha pilot (test pilot?) who claimed that the Botha was a difficult aircraft to get into. He claimed that it should be modified so that it was IMPOSSIBLE to get into……..:D
Definately not – I am entitled to my opinion the same as anyone else, prefer the phrase U/S myself 🙂
As ex-RAF I prefer u/s to tech any day, but now I’m a civvie, ‘Tech’ is the order of the day…. Hope she gets well soon…
why? whats happening?… tell me tell me……:D where, who, and when is the roll out?….
Congratulations, Spade Grip, I also have just passed the 100 mark after a couple of years. My membership of this forum has resulted in a massive increase in self-confidence,my personal popularity has reached an all time high, I am mobbed in the street wherever I go, and all my friends have commented that I am even more insufferable than I was before. Needless to say I also have increased success with the laydees, and I owe this all to my membership of this elite band of protagonists of the art of aerial racontour-ism.
……..sorry, just fell out of bed and woke up……….:p
I passed that milestone last week and now I’m as much of an insufferable **** (please insert any suitable profanity) as I can possibly be…..:D The more voices on here, the better……
I think maybe one of my near neighbours would like to see a Stirling again. He flew ops on them over Germany. Maybe other members of the public would appreciate seeing them as well. I doubt that everyone who visits Duxford , Hendon or indeed any other of the aircraft museums in the U.K is an aircraft enthusiast. It’s very difficult to actually define how many people would appreciate seeing something if there isn’t one at present to show them.
Luckily we do however have an increasing band of people working in sheds and garages to bring the extinct back to life or produce cockpits which
the general public can get close to. Adding to all this is the activity abroad such as the Halifax restoration and the recently discovered Skua. You could argue who needs to see a silent Halifax or indeed the unfortunate Skua.
However there are many who can stand and look at a Halifax and understand its purpose and the sacrifice made by the many crews flying them. Similarily
there is no real justification in recovering the Skua if we use the popularity stakes . The people of Norway however are justifiably proud of what the
British aircrew did to try and keep their country free . If a million pounds was spent recovering a Skua and maybe one veteran in his failing years was able to see and sit inside it that would be worth it to me.
Certainly many people will see the Vulcan when she is up and about. Her combat record of a few heroic missions adds to the mistique. Brushing aside the glamour dont’ forget the airworthy Hunters – Pembrokes – Chipmunks – Vampires – Venoms – Canberra’s and Shackleton which played their part in the Cold War and seem to live at the moment in her shadow.
Now a flying Skua would be worth seeing… possibly in a heritage formation with a barracuda….
True… just remembered an aircraft which I would like to see fly – there are a few static ones. Gloster Javelin…. There’s one at Leeming not doing much…:rolleyes: