F. Hills & Son
So far as i can determine the company were based at Trafford Park Manchester. 812 Percival Proctors of various marks were built by them between 1941 to 45. Completed airframes were sent by road to Barton for final assembly, rigging and test flying.
Test Flying
The thought has occurred to us that G-AKEX (LZ791) could be sent by road to Barton for final assembly and test flying when the time arrives. It would be a nice start to her second flying career as well as an historical link between airframe and manufacturer. Even better if we can locate former F Hills employees to be in attendance. Duxford remains first choice at the moment due to its relative proximity to the restoration workshop, large grass runway not to mention the wealth of expertise available there. That said once she has flown again Barton is high on our list of airfields to visit, along with Thame where she was based with the ATA from 1943 to wars end.
ATA Help Needed
it occurred to me that amongst the forum members there may be someone who can point us in the right direction. We know that LZ791 was an ATA machine from 1943 to 1945 and based at Thame in Oxfordshire. We have now made contact with two former pilots from Thame all who flew Proctors amongst other more exotic aircraft. Both have advised that the Pool Proctors of which there were around 15 at any one time had a number painted onto the
engine cowl, from 1 to 15 not surprisingly! The pilots we have spoken to advise that it was common practice to simply complete their log books with the pool number and not the actual military serial number. One pilot has checked her logs and has written the serial number alongside the pool number for five flights
so we know which Proctors she flew. Tantalizingly there are around another 50 log entries for Proctor flights with just the pool number, nothing more. The odds of her flying our Proctor are therefore extremely high we have to find the pool numbers for Thame based Proctors at the time. Can anyone help us here please or point us in the right direction. It would be great to know and hopefully reunite the pilot with her Proctor from nearly 70 years ago.
Just glad he got to see the Tempest fly, a most fitting tribute to his engineering skills. So sad at such a young age
vintage aviation will be all the poorer for his loss. RIP
Anyone with aviation in their blood will look longingly at a Spitfire and say what if…? Many people dream of the chance to fly in one, many people decide to do so and fulfill a lifetimes ambition. I know just such a person who recently came into a reasonable inheritance. He has booked a full hour, the day could not come soon enough.
With over 1500 hours P1 in light aircraft, I intend to do the same I hope in 2025. My eldest son like me is mad keen on WW2 fighters, his generous wife has bought him a flight for his 30th. I have two brothers also keen for the experience, about to talk to the operators to see if a four ship flight can be arranged. Watch this space
Its always been that way marked, some of the rocks are already there deep in the ground others have been added and all are painted white. Wholly agree about forward viz in tail draggers, but the second Stearman to arrive demonstrated a master class in how to do it
The fly in organisers do a great job and clearly state LAND AT YOUR OWN RISK….! They are in no way responsible for any damage to aircraft caused by poor airmanship etc. Its not as if Lundy’s runway is that narrow, the accident aircraft came in too far to the left. Rather then throw away the approach to have another go he carried on with dire results. All other 36 aircraft managed to land OK, weather wise you could hardly ask for a better day with 12 to 15 knots pretty much down the strip…! I know where the blame lies here…
I landed just after the incident. A complete headache for recovering, and as others have said it will cost a fortune. Good opportunity for an RAF Chinook exercise to recover it to an airfield on the mainland where repairs can be made.
I’ve landed on Lundy four times, its a strip that takes absolutely no prisoners or accepts poor landing technique and handling. The runway is marked by large painted white rocks its one of these that caught the Stearmans port U/C wiping it off. In addition to the U/C damage the port lower wing is twisted and fabric punctured.
The runway is wide enough and if the pilot was not happy with his positioning on final he should have gone around.
A very expensive and to my mind avoidable mistake
Hideous new format, now one of the most unfriendly sites I frequent. Its hard to read, hard to navigate, hard to like. UK airshow review gets my and hundreds of others votes, simple to use, to the point and clearly run by enthusiasts for enthusiasts.
So long key, what a bunch of no hopers nowrunning the show, sad but not surprising…!
Terribly sad. Myself and Planemike who posts here were at the very strip in Sweden a few week ago where the aircraft was based along with another 18 or so classics. We photographed most of the based aircraft including the accident machine RIP
I know the Moth club had a batch made some years ago (same size tyre as Hornet Moth) I had the last pair for our Mk 111 Proctor LZ791, SE -BTR, G-AKEX. Maybe worth a call
Shame if it does go but nothing surprises me. Has to be a prime development site and over spill for Thame. The airfield was one of the first I intended to visit in Proctor LZ791 based here and White Waltham 1943 to 1945
A low pass will probably be the closest 791 gets back to her home from over 70 years ago.
Landed ahead of me at Elmsett this afternoon – Lovely!
Bank on anything from £45,000 to £60,000 for an airworthy example. Hangarage average cost around £2,800-00 per annum less if you have your own strip and hangar. Annual C of A £3,000, insurance £900-00, hourly fuel and oil £45-00 to £50-00
Fifty hour checks £350-00 to £400-00. On top of that allow for any of the usual incidentals, tyres, spark plugs etc. I don’t think these figures will be miles out.
Without doubt the finest Blenheim pictures I have ever seen, quite simply stunning and outstanding! Will enjoy reading the article tonight.
These were a common lamp unit fitted to a lot of pre and post war British types. Green lens are still relatively common red not so. Reason being in the austere post war 1950’s a lot of specials were built using the likes of pre war Ford and Austin chassis. The red bulbs were in demand for tail and brake lights. I was able to purchase three pairs of brand new ministry examples at a Shoreham aero jumble, boxed, protected in straw and dated 1942