Another Proctor Discovered
Just to add to this topic i have been reliably informed of another barn stored Proctor that has been discovered in Scandinavia. Plans are in hand to visit said barn after Easter to find out the Mark and reg details. Not able to say more now, but watch this space!!!
Keeping it clean!
Robert, good house keeping – that’s all. I take the view that you spend a large part of your life and its important that where you work is both comfortable and a place that you want to go to, not avoid. It has helped that we spend a tidy sum converting an old cow shed to exactly what we wanted with a flat painted wooden floor that is easily swept at the end of the working day. In view of the regular CAA inspectors visit, if he sees a tidy efficient shop you get onto the right footing from the start, a messy workshop would do us no favours!
Gipsy Queen
Chipie Please drop me a pm, we have two Proctor projects under active re build to flight in Essex, both have Queens, we should be talking about common parts, possible swaps, re builds etc. Remember your machine well from Southend circa 72, somewhere i have a picture of her then, will look it out. Where abouts is your project located?
Proctor 3 LZ 791, based West Raynham
We know from the records office at Kew and the RAF museum that from late 45 to 47 Proctor 3 LZ791 was based at West Raynham with the CFC, we think possibly as a high ranking officers hack. Stripping back fabric and paint has revealed an overall dark blue scheme, applied post wartime over the brown and green upper surfaces and yellow undersides. The fuselage has revealed her LZ791 in silver in the correct position. She also wore a standard fuselage roundel, wing roundels top and under side, and fin flash. This scheme is favored to her wartime one, can any reader direct us to a photo of her finished like this either at West Raynham or away from base.
Drop Tank
Not a canopy but still something jettisoned from an aircraft. Near where i live in Suffolk is a chicken farmer and i bought my chickens there last year. We got chatting and as he is well into his seventies i asked if he was in Suffolk during the war years to which he replied “Lived here all my life”!!
Being an aviation fan we spoke about aircraft that operated in the area and he has vivid memories of B17’s and fighters overhead on an almost daily basis. Even better in a shed and covered in dust he showed me drop tank from an American fighter. He and his brother found this in a nearby wood towards wars end and fashioned it into a rudimentary canoe by cutting the top out, they used on the local ponds. He said there were loads around and they turned up as late as the early fifties. I expressed my interest in buying it, and he’s considering possibly selling it, whats it worth?
Alan drop me a PM. I will forward pictures of the Mk V, HTE and Mk 3 KEX we have under restoration in Essex. Were peter(s) Loweth and Masters part of you gang all those years ago? If you are over in the UK let me know and come and see the projects.
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Mike
GTC
Looks good, Jetflap – and being evaluated for the Navy too..;)
Here’s another Percival, taken on 4 May 1963 clearing customs outbound at Gatwick on a flight from White Waltham to Toussus-le-Noble and Jersey. The owner, Simon Biddulph, was invariably to be seen wearing a knitted fisherman’s woolly hat from one of the Balearic islands which is where ‘GTC, a one-time Farnborough static exhibit, ended its days. One fellow passenger is still active at Woodley, the chap doing the navigation was sadly to perish two months later in his Auster, ‘PKL.
A great picture of GTC. I have a similar one in colour taken by my father Symon, possibly on the same trip. Will try to look it out over the break, scan and post. Anymore pictures of GTC you have and care to share?
Workshop Visit
Hey T C are you saying the actual Panshanger Proctors are with you at Great Oakley?!
Now if I could just get the okay to visit G-AFFD I could treat myself to a grand day out and do a big triangular trip! Pity I never got a PPL to do the trip in style!
Please send me a pm to arrange a visit, all Percival fans most welcome.
Freighter Interior
Somewhere i have a picture taken in the cabin of a Silver City B170 Super Freighter en route Lydd ferry port to Le Touquet circa 65. My father transferred from Aquila airlines when they folded in 58, to Silver City part of the then Britavia Group. I recall as a 5 year old being given a boiled sweet to suck on as we descended over France. I am always reminded of this when i fly commercially and a baby or young child starts to scream on the descent unable and not knowing how to adjust ear pressure. Will try to search it out and post over the xmas period.
Visit
Please come over to see the projects. Catch me on 01449 740547 to arrange a date. The aircraft are at Great Oakley airfiield near Harwich
Thanks David.
Any idea if a visit might be possible sometime?T C talking of Proctors, I remember sneaking up to Panshanger field from the north as a teenager and coming across a leaky shed which held several disassembled Proctors and a Prentice (Airwork I think). I often wonder what became of them. Must have been around 1956 but I see from the airfield shot from above that the base of the hangar is only just discernable now.
Percival Connections !
Correct me if i am wrong, i recall reading that the Gull 3 in the Brussels museum was also a former mount of Sir Phillip Sassoon, happy to be corrected if wrong. There is little chance it seems of that machine ever coming home though rumors have suggested that the collection there may be reduced to concentrate on aircraft more relevant to Belgium military history. At least she seems reasonably well cared for, more then can be said for some other off site exhibits that need to be rescued before they deteriorate past the state of no return. I would like to get my hands on HZY their Mk V Proctor thats crying out for a new home and rebuild to flight. With two Proctor projects on the go we have our hands full. A number of years to go and i will look forward to formating with the Q6 and our two Proctors over East Anglia, a mouth watering prospect. Things are going very well in the workshop with good progress being made. This week i inspected the rudder from the Mk 3, now re built and looking brand new. It will be a shame in some ways to cover it. Nice to think that we should in the next few years have 6 and maybe 7 Gull/Proctors plus the Q6 gracing the skies over England if all the works in hand reach fruition.
Canberra Crash
Dustyone a forum member and a very good friend of mine lived in the area at the time and remembers the incident well. I will be seeing him this weekend coming and will ask him more about the incident in question. He may well post a reply with much more information.
Sewdish Gladiators
Not Norweigan but when i was in Sweden in June 07 arranging collection of Proctor KEX the vendor showed me an amazing photo album that belonged to his late father who flew Swedish air force Gladiators during the war. Picture quality was superb and they reflected life at his base as it happened. Good shots of lines of Gladiators, cockpit close ups, girlfriends sitting on the wing, and prangs on the airfield. Also great air to air shots, these i was told have never before been published.
If forum members are interested which i am sure they are i will see if they may be available for publish. There must be at least 50+quality pictures in the albums. There were also views of hawker biplanes but i cannot recall the type.
Replace as required
No, a large percentage of the airframe i guess will be reclaimable. Use what can be safely retained and add new timber where required. The Proctors we are rebuilding will retain a good percentage of their original Canadian spruce but without question new wood HAS to go in to replace damaged and in some cases rotten material. What we will end up with are airworthy Proctors rebuilt to the manufacturers plans but including a large percentage of their original structure using the latest glues that will last. We will probably go for ceconite covering rather then original Irish linen in the interest of longevity and ease of maintenance. I agree that it would be great to see a completely original Mosquito or indeed Proctor that has had nothing replaced other then service components but thats a fantasy. Far rather see a rebuilt machine flying using some of the original structure then to look at a static example unable to fly due to safety concerns regarding its structural integrity.
Mosquito Returning?
If a buyer and restorer can not be found in Canada why not let her return home! Judging by the interest shown in the Mosquito here, i am sure that were “A Mosquito to the sky” restoration fund put in place it would have plenty of subscribers and donations to assist such a worth while restoration! Since the tragic loss of the last Mosquito, enthusiasts have been praying for someone with the vision and capital do get one back in the air and should they succeed You could guarantee the airshow appeal, the sight sound and its speed, an intoxicating thought and prospect. Re built with new wood and modern glues, hangered and pampered she theoretically should last and delight for generations to come. Merlins seem to be in reasonable supply i can only hope that it happens sooner then later. Better to have tried and failed, then not tried at all!