C-stoff and T-stoff if I remember correctly did it also melt or burn the pilots if they got the fuelling wrong?

Andy, You and your son was the first thing I thought of when I heard the news. I must admit I was relieved when I heard it was not his regiment but guilty in thinking that at the same time because of the families devestated by this.

Paul

but sureley today making any vehicle harder to obtain is a good thing especialy on britains roaads

we are like america in some senses we are becoming fat and idle because of car habits
now be honest on this , how many drive to another supermarket if they can’t park close enough to the doors ??
use of vehicles has become disgusting in the uk i live close to a villiage retraunt and it is unreal ( on a nice summer evening ) how many will go to the effort of starting the car to go to the village shop less than 100 yrds away
anything that makes people think can only be a good thing

Me! I am disabled and can’t walk 100yards without severe pain or falling over.
Yes I drive to another supermarket because usually fat munters with no blue badges or little children have taken the disabled bays! Is that honest enough for you.To preempt the next(usual) question. I then use a Supermarket trolley as a zimmer even if I want only one small item!

Having had a full motorcycle licence since I was 16(yes in those days 1961) I have ridden bikes on and off since then and as an old codger ten years ago a Honda Pan European. I think any amount of training and restriction is not going to solve two main causes of death. One lack of attention by the rider(it has to be 110% ALL the time). Clip a kerb at speed in a car and you may have a ******** wheel on a bike you could have a coffin. Two, SMIDNSY, motorists do not realy see bikes even when stationery and do not seem to be able to estimate their speed when moving. All the training and restrictions on motorcyclists I am afraid will not reduce the death toll by much unless people on two wheels or four concentrate on their roadcraft and give it their full attention. You would not saw a plank of wood with your eyes shut or watching TV would you?( unless we have a lot of members with missing digits)

One of the worst driving traits is arrogance and I think we see too much of it. None of us are above making errors while driving, it is a complex business after all and when things happen it is the assumption that it always the other driver’s fault. No-one seems willing to admit making an mistake.

I don’t care how much anyone has driven or what vehicles they’ve driven, there is no age, sex, colour or any other barrier to crap driving. Everyone is capable of it.

Arthur. we have not always agreed on things but I think you are spot on with this observation!

BTW most insurance companies use The Thatcham ABI Group Rating as their yardstick with their own experience to tweek premiums.

Mr Creosote, I remember that one as well!:D

I am slowly working my way through your photo album. Some great stuff in there. Thanks for posting it!:)

I wonder if this thread will disappear like the original one?