OH Todo…let it go…your face has been blackened like cheap soy sauce with a hint of stinking oyester (you dont need your Pakee to explain this to you too). There are no personal insults its just witty repartee…the only one who is resorting to crass stuff is YOU kiddo. But given your age, lack of comprehension of english (see bolded part and please go through 12 pages of repetition and point to where I said its visual inspection that ID defective -31F….I only stated that perhaps the ukeranians/mongolians can smell a defective engine for PLAAF…didnt really tell you how they were found out for IAF..there is a hint in there)

Oh bubba I have had three recalls on my VW (very good point though), NONE of the parts actually failed on my car (actually 2 did’nt…I was “waiting” for 1 to fail..long story your pakee wounld’nt understand it) yet since it was called a “safety recall” they replaced the faulty parts even though it had’nt failed on my car specfically but had failed in a “significant portion” of the batch. So if you ask me, off the three recalls only 1 really had any merit on my car and even that one recall was eagerly awaited (mine was pretty much the last of that model year to go) coz if one failed I could get the BOTH replaced when I went in (dont worry if you dont understand this…it has to do with class action lawsuits and VW guidelines of replacing faulty parts).

This would be a great segway into the -31F failures….but unfortunately over 12 pages your lack of comprehension and your crass retorts (kinda reflective of your drone kith I guess) leads me to think that after space shuttles you might want to dwell on the failure time of I donno…noodle makers??

Lol. What a joke. You really don’t know anything about recalls do you?

You still have not addressed the quality issues properly. You said in effect, things are not broken till they are broken. Tell me that again?

What are you going to say to the pilot’s family when when his plane decides to prematurely break its warranty while he is on a mission?

Huh? Tell me.

Tell me why do you want to break basic safety procedures practiced in all airforces including the USAF just to satisfy your nationalistic jingo? Tell me.

The real idiot you are, you failed to comprehend, warranty or not, you cannot afford to wait for planes to “break” their warranty.

All you gave in your 12 pages is your personal invective and racial slurs, not to mention outright lying and poor mathematical calculation. All to cover your red faced embarrassment.

Your last BS is about India doing already doiing all the repairs and stuff.

http://www.mosnews.com/money/2006/02/03/indiajv.shtml

The MKK has air to ground capability, but not air to sea antiship missile capability, unless you plan on attacking ships with the Kh-31P, Kh-29T or Kh-59ME.

The MKK’s air to ground capability is not part of the radar itself but only interfaces with it and resides in a seperate subsytem. The SUV-P provides support for the Kh-59ME, Kab TV and laser guided bombs, Kh-29T/L, Kh-31P.

The MK2 adds an air to sea capability to the radar, because antiship targeting and guidance is different from managing TV and laser guided munitions and requires integration to the radar. It is basically a component upgrade to the MKK, and there is no reason why the MKKs can be upgraded to the MK2 level. To be more precise, the capability resides in the SUV-V subsystem and not in the N001 itself.

In any case, the PLANAF’s real antiship capability resides on the modernized H-6s and the JH-7s that can launch YJ-6X and YJ-8X missiles at long stand off ranges, much longer ranged than any current weapon on the MKK/MK2.

Guys relax.
The Iranian economy is barely breathing. Massive unemployment and a government run by mullahs who are completely detached from the very youthful population. This level of tension is a Godsend for the Iranian leadership, it helps to redirect attention to the “great Satan” and away from their absolute incompetence and bizarre interpretation of Islam.

On the other side of the world, we have a bunch of neocon chumps who never miss an opportunity to prove that they have learned nothing since Vietnam. Nothing , nada, squat.
$172 Billion spent thus far in Iraq and people are starting to ask questions. For the chumps in the White House, the current level of tensions with regard to Iran is similarly a Godsend.

I don’t know how that would be a godsend to the neocons. The problem is the heavily Iran supported Shiite majority in Iraq. So far they have gone along this “democratic” path (if only to ensure and consoildate mullah power through the voting box).

Iran is doing this because it knows it only takes a spark to ignite the Shiites in Iraq, creating a double front war that would now involve the Shiites and not just the Sunnis. So they got daring.

As for the current Iranian president, I think he is a loon. Worst yet, he’s young, lacks the wisdom, pragmatism, and experience of the older mullahs, and that’s the type that will get you into trouble. He has admitted to having religious visions about his ‘destiny’ and the role he will play for Islam.

I believe that the US invading Iraq is a major mistake but regardless of what the US did, or how it is facing a quagmire in both Iraq and Afghanistan, if there is finally a true and credible nuclear threat in Iran, action is requried. I don’t suggest invading Iran; that will only result in a major quagmire and complicate the situation in Iraq further, not to mention potentially destabilizing Pakistan.

But you can level that nuclear facility completely.

I dont find you funny anymore drone…you are getting too crass for my taste but then you are the token “equal equal” mod so I guess Oracle’s AFM will turn a blind eye to this (but might notice your whining about my “racial slurring”)…your pontification about “both countries” have been sunk hook line and sinker…now you want to go off on a Space Shuttle tangent. Seems like you are getting a bit hot under the collar.

So shoo…..

Seems to me you can’t stick to the argument without resorting to personal insults. I asked you many times to provide straight evidence of your sparing factor…you provide none. Furthermore, you showed such basic ignorance why planes are grounded, about basic QC procedures.

After all, you are the one who said it isn’t defective until it is actually broken.

What kind of an would say that? Well it’s the same who thinks you can preempt engine problems with visual inspection only, never mind how long and how tedious it would take to strip down an engine completely, then comb the parts for tiny cracks.

You know what production batches are? Hmm? Do you ever had a car recall? A car is recalled because it is defective, because parts have not lived up to their specifications, that a significant proportion of that same batch had shown problems. The car is recalled even if your particular car has not shown any problems yet. It is recalled because it will be. Future tense. Comprende Ingles, eh?

Thats perhaps some of the dumbest argument I have seen since Oracle’s Twu BVR. You are now comparing the premature failure (hence defect under warrenty) of an AL-31F to the failure of an “O-Ring” or the breaking off on a Foam piece on a space shuttle??? That too without really point the similarities and just point the outcome??

ROFL. The problem with your ass thinking is that when you have an exceptionally high rate of premature failures, that’s a guarantee that most of the engines produced in the same batch are inherently defective and are trouble just waiting to happen. How do you expect to find out when they finally break huh? When the engine is on the air? In the USAF, if a problem happens in one F-16, all the F-16s of the same batch are grounded for inspections.

Show me more of your technical incompetence, later bozo.

JASDF F-4 artwork based on anime.
Reportedly, after that event, the JASDF REMFs warned the ground crew to not repeat this kind of artwork.

Oh that’s too bad. Nice artwork of the Megamisama over there.

It is bit early to talk about barak-2 anyway as i already mentioned rif-m has many vunerabilities…

Yes, you are talking about the FOV. That’s the problem of the radar, not the missile. The missile does not need the radar to track as it can do so with its TVM systems. Actually we still know little of the complete radar systems of the 051C.

Get your facts right before you spit out more BS you are making yourself look like a joke, minsk is not in the same class as Baku/Gorshkov. And second of all minsk was sent to the scrapyard it was not much of operational vessel even china couldnt have turn into much of operational vessel even if it desired. Anyway fyi india did scrap kiev (the first in class) so i dont understand what your point is a vessel sent to the scrapyard is good enough to be operational because you say so right. Gorshkov was very much operational carrier, russians were still maintaining that vessel while it laid in shipyard unlike minsk or kuznetsov even if IN hadnt purchased russian were planning to turn it into rotrary wing carrier, either way its stop gap measure till ADS is completed which should be launched in couple years.

You should indeed get your facts straights that the Minsk, Kiev and the Gorshkov all belong to the same class.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/1143.htm
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/fleet/russian/11434.htm

You scrapped the Kiev? Are you living in a different world? The Kiev is in Tianjin being converted in a theme park and it was bought from the Russians

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/aircarrier/default.asp
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/cv.htm
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200104/19/eng20010419_68082.html

Lol, the Gorshkov was mothballed since 1991. The Russians didn’t think it was worth keeping in service.

ASW got serious holes w/e more statement with little or no credible facts typical crobato.. Layered AAW systems that gorshkov itself has should far better than what any PLAN or IN vessel has so its not push over by

Excuse me. Layered AAW systems? You probably got a bunch of Klinoks or SA-N-9 on the ship, which is essentially point defense AAMs.

anyways. As for battle group IN is procuring 13 surface combatants in the next 4 years thats more than enough to protect Gorshkov dont you think :rolleyes:

We have seen so many preannouncements from you guys and not enough follow through, we like to see them on the water first before they can be considered an actuality.

Heh- I’d never thought I’d hear of the Su-30KN again- the upgrade path for the Su-27 (remember the original Su-27UBM?) that lost to the Su-27SM as far as the Russian Air Force was concerned.

Correction, that was the upgrade path for the Su-27UBs, as in double seater. It was Irkut’s scheme and it can’t be done on the single seaters as KnAAPO never bought into that since KnAAPO has its own scheme. A change in leadership positions among the RuAF shifted the favoritism from Irkut to KnAAPO.

For that reason, you cannot “SM”-ize the Su-27UB, as much as you cannot “KN”-ize the Su-27S. In order to upgrade both single and double seaters, the bottomline is you will have to have Su-27SMs simultaneously with Su-27UBMs in the same fleet.