Japan didn’t have a near inexhaustible supply of cheap labor to begin with.

Japan also has a lot of baggage that China doesn’t. For instance, China’s cost of living is much lower, which benefits the entire production chain.

But Japan can be said for one thing—it’s still got heaps more cash than the US. Japan owns 800 billion in US treasuries. How much does the US own of Japanese treasuries? At least Japan’s debt is still mostly owned by Japanese, not like US debt being mainly owned by Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, etc,.

Zhuk radar’s 300 km range is against destroyer/sovremenny sized targets. As for Z-9 dont have any data on the radar but doubt its any capable. as for Ka-28 its radar has a decent detection range: around 60 km. The kamov is offering sea dragon to replace the radar on it, IN reportedly was deciding between that and an indigenous option fyi. Anyway all those platforms apart from ka-28 and maybe z-9 dont have capability to transmit the data to the surface vessels.

As for YJ-83/Moskit light bulk datalink its not anything new otomat mk 2 features such a datalink, it looks simple on paper but rather complicated to implement it in reality. Requires an airborne platform to be constantly detect the hostile vessel while the missile is on flight, making those platforms quite venerable to ship launched SAM (russians had dozens of ka-25/28s to throw at an enemy fleet same cannot be said about PLAN which operates less than 8). Also the link can be jammed and light bulb itself according to janes can support only missile in flight at a time.

You keep forgeting that it does not have to come from helicopters, but from aircraft, like H-6, JH-7s. and Su-30s. The H-6 themselves have been armed with 200km YJ-6 missiles and has been for a long time. The JH-7s now carry the datalinked YJ-83 and their antenna sizes appear as big to bigger than the Zhuks, not to mention their ability to carry surveillance pods. The new version H-6s appear armed with either the YJ-83 or a new ASM, probably the YJ-63. This is not to mention that the J-8IIs are more than capable of carrying Zhuk sized radars.

This is not to mention that the Chinese plan to bring in their own AWACS and survelliance platforms, and we have seen prototypes of the new AWACS, the Y-8 Balance beam AWACS and the new Y-8 surveillance plane.

YJ-83s are likely to be carried on the new FACs, and it is clear from the lack of any large radar on the FACs, that the missiles get their control from somewhere else. The PLAN won’t deploy such missile ships unless they have the guidance infrastructure.

The Chinese growth rate of 9.4% is BS. They failed to calculate the service sector properly, while end to end exports and trade growth are over 10% every year. At the same time, power consumption—despite power efficiency measures—are growing at rates as high as 13% every year. The real growth rate in China should be around 10 to 13% every year, and they don’t even have the means to properly measure the size of the Chinese black market economy, which accounts for a much larger share of the real GNP than most nations. And everyone knows that the Chinese Yuan is undervalued, which distorts actual GNP figures further.

My comment is based as the Eastern economies combined—not just China, but with South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia all taken as a whole into one trading bloc. When you compare all that, you will see the Asian region accumulating the largest trade balances to their favor, the largest trade surpluses, holding the largest foreign reserves, the largest savings rate, the largest bond holders, etc,.

Try flying around the world, will you and see what business is like. The most economically dynamic region in the world, without a clear doubt, from any person who has done business around the world, is Asia.

China, Japan and South Korea sooner will cooperate in aerospace and other key industries to Challenge the US and EU economic western supremacy

1. Aerospace cooperation? I doubt it.

2. All three countries, plus Taiwan and Singapore, are already aligned in a number of strategic partnerships on electronics and IT, which they all think is where the future lie.

3. So called Western economic supremacy no longer exists and hasn’t been for some time now.

Gotta love the drawings of a PLAAF Tu-160 too 😀 This guy has certainly gotten the whole “the sky is falling” thing down. Kopp needs to quit pretending to be an analyst and work as a lobbyist for Lockheed.

Did find this though.

The pic looks like it was from a game.

You make it sound like everything is dependent on the Y-8s. It’s not. You can do OTH by bouncing radar off the ionosphere, or recieving likewise signals from an enemy ship doing the same thing. Y-8s are not the only spotters. Helicopters like the Z-9 and the Ka-28 can do it. Planes like the Su-30MK2, JH-7A, and even the J-8D might even be able to do it. A 700mm radar with sea search capability like a Zhuk—the kind that can fit inside a J-8II—can detect a destroyer sized target as far as 300km away.

The YJ-83 ASMs used standard in Chinese ships nowadays is confirmed to have datalinks on them, so they are getting their updates from somewhere, somehow.

some questions on the J10 and the Grypen:

how do they compare in agility?

Probably comparable.

how similar is performance like climb and ceiling?

No stats.

what armament options do they have?

The J-10 is currently limited to Chinese weapons only. If they export it it may have a Western or Russian sourced radar instead with the appropriate missiles by customer wishes.

The Gripen has much better and more varied weapons options.

how would they compare in a dog fight if it happened(this is theory) after getting past bvr combat?

That will depend on the pilot.

what is the development potential of both jets?

When it comes to smaller planes like both, not that much. The J-10 does have bigger room inside to grow and add more things.

which has the most advanced avionics and radars and systems?

I’m a lot more confident it would be the Gripen. The Chinese are still learning and improving vastly.

ive seen digital artwork online showing the J10 with missiles under the fuselage like Typhoon has but in photos only underwing weapons. can J10 carry 4 under fuselage missiles and a tank too? with under fuealage missiles the weapon load would be bigger than Grypens underwing ones.

We have to wait and see if this is possible.