China values its relationship with Britain far more than Argentina, second only to the Germans. I doubt China would ever sell JH-7As to Argentina.

We will see when we can have a better look at China’s Type 956EM. That won’t be long from now.

Yes, the Chinese developed the Yuan class ahead of the Amur. It may even be years before the Amur can see a prototype, maybe not at all, since it is depending on export sales to India and ironically, to China.

I don’t think thye Russians would sell the Amur blueprints before hand, which would be detrimental to their business policy, since it would be much more profitable to sell the finished product as a package.

Only the bow of the Yuan has any similarity to the Kilo and Amur. The pattern of diving holes on the Yuan seem much more indicative of Chinese practices in the Song. Basically, the sub is still Song technology. I believe it may be possible that due to the hump, which is far more prominent than in the Kilo, that the Yuan sub may be planning to carry a VLS system of some sort, perhaps a cruise missile.

The box does not look like everything I’ve seen, and further more, it has the depth markings. The Chinese typically put their depth markings on the bow. Not many countries do that, especially with a Kilo like bow. These elements simiply don’t merge from different pictures. Yes, I know the Amur has diving planes in the conning tower, but there isn’t any Amur yet running around beyond a blue print.

Hmm, that V shape gets annoying people. I see that V-shape, but did it ever occur to you that it stops in a dot, things can turn around a dot without being completely visible…

The dot has been seen in all the pictures, even at various angles. Once you have a three dimensionality on the object, it’s not a cut and paste, since cut and paste lacks three dimensionality.

Crobato, what use would I have to deny this sub has that bow? Does it matter to me? NO, did I ever say this bow is worse than another bow? NO. I just noticed that picture is odd and could probably be PSed. Nothing more, nothing less. That doesn’t mean I’m biassed. It wouldn’t make me scared, even if it had 20 torpedo tubes in that bow 😉

Go ahead and try to make sense. You obviously have not worked with digital imaging, not even the basics. Cut and paste requires an existing template. Which means existing subs from which you can cut out the parts and cobble them together in a collage. Unfortunately the bow of the Yuan does not match that of the Kilo’s either. The Kilo does not have the white markings bordering the bow to indicate the depth markings—such markings on the Kilo are much further back, and set on a straight line down. The tube holes in the Kilo are also bigger, and farthest left and right holes tend to be egg shaped, not circular as in these pictures. At the same time, there is no existing template that matches the rest of the body, which means you can’t cut and paste from an existing sub picture.

Cut and paste would also mean that the lighting from each part you cut from a template, would be inconsistent with the rest. You cannot have consistent one source lighting and shadowing. The picture granularity would also be different. You cannot have things like wires and birds in front of the image collage. Simply said, you cannot have consistent three dimensionality as these pictures show.

All these the pics have passed with strong and definite flying colors.

Little question for you guys. Does China already have a cruisemissile? If so, what ‘s the range/speed/specs of it?

Oh yes, like 3000km for the Dong Hai 10 which is the latest generation; the previous one was 1500km. They probably have deployed a variety in secret.

Saw a post in Dingsheng forum suggesting UBK #30 from the 19th Div crashed.

That is a hypothesis but highly unlikely. UBK #30 from the 19th Division had its unit numbers removed from its tail so it is likely it was being prepped for a unit transfer. At the same time, Hui Tong contends that a X5 (probably #55 or #65) UBK from the 33rd is transferred to the 19th—which is an indication of J-11 transfers to the 19th. Where you find the 33rd UBKs go, there the newer J-11s (probably with avionics upgraded) would go also. If it was a plane loss, it would likely be replaced by another UBK. The caption of the photo says that #27 to #30 was replaced now with Su-27SK, suggesting that #27 to #30 were UBKs. That’s four UBKs. I had previously theorized that UBKs in the 19th numbering #1 to #4 may have been renumbered to #27 to #30, with #1 to #4 replaced with J-11s (which can explain a newspaper photo of an alleged J-11 #2 in the 19th.)

My only comment is I think this is an MKK. Notice the planes in the background. This is almost certainly Wuhu. Look at the shelters in the background and the layout in this photo.

The planes in the background do look like MKKs, but the number of the hardpoints on this wing is purely Su-27SK. The hardpoints on the MKK are 4 per wing rather than 3 as in this wing.

It’s really a training missile. Seen them on pics with J-8IIs. Notice that it does not have front canards, which gives directional control.

Here’s another photo from Hyperwarp’s set on the new J-7G and the CCTV show. This looks to be the PL-8 or even PL-9 on a J-7G in primer

It’s a training missile actually. TV camera on the nose with IR seeker. This is used to register “kills”.