believe what you want…. I mean, why would a retired Iraqi general, the Australian SAS and australia’s best defence writer lie? I mean if it was learnt that the US had supplied them, how dumb would it look. and these munitions were supplied in the 80’s dont forget
Call it an agenda. And by the both the US and the UN did not find anything. That’s a fact. Do you have problems with the facts?
Give me Chuck Norris and a Cessna.
I win.
I am not saying anybody will get a waterdowned version of the F-35. Yet, it would be naive to believe every customer will have total unrestricted access either. That is something to be negotiated between the US and its export customer. Clearly, the US needs to feel its technology is protected…………..as do every country that exports highly advance technology.
Wow, talk about convenient self contradiction.
Unfortunately for America the reason everyone knows that saddam had WMD’s was because America supplied them. alot of things that shouldn’t have been done to get back at Iran! and if you believe an retired Iraqi general and the Australian SAS, they were transported in buses to syria.
Scooter, we will never be able to convince the pro chinese supporters-likely that they include members of the MSS, and to agree with us would be treason. probably printout our posts and show them around saying “look-the west hates us and will fund japanese and korean carriers-quick, build more”
Sigh, more crackpots in this forum.
fact is, no matter what you say china will not have 2 new carriers in 6 years. they are likely to be Varyag rip offs.
A Varyag rip off is still a carrier nonetheless.
they wont pose much of a threat.I’m sure the RAN couls spare a Collins class or two to deal with them.
they arenot that big a deal If china wnts to waste its money trying to compete with the US navy, let them- all the more sooner that the Taiwanese will be seen as the way and democracy will see the end of communism. just like russia
Oh and look at Russia now.
Sigh, there is nothing to believe.
The official report.
http://www.spacewar.com/2004/041006185059.6eqctmf1.html
WASHINGTON (AFP) Oct 06, 2004
Iraq had no active chemical, biological or nuclear programs at the time of the US-led invasion in 2003 having given up its weapons of mass destruction in 1991, the chief US weapons inspector concluded in a report released Wednesday.
“This led him to give up stockpiled weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and ultimately the programs, the official said.”
“In terms of getting rid of weapons, by the end of 1991 they had gotten rid of just about everything,” said the official, who briefed reporters before Duelfer’s testified to Congress on Wednesday.”
The support Iraq gained on the UN Security Council vanished and “the erosion stopped,” the official said, suggesting that even as the United States was moving towards war the sanctions regime had tightened.
The US search for weapons after the war found no stockpiles of weapons, no sign chemical weapons had been produced after 1991, no civilian facilities that could be rapidly converted to chemical agent production, and no plans to restart them, the official said.
The few chemical munitions found were made before 1991, and were decaying.
“We found some laboratories under the control of the Mukhabarat,” the official said. “It appears they were producing small amounts of poison not as military weapons but for the purposes of assassination. These were laboratories not declared to the UN, which were concealed.”
Name a country that didn’t believe that Sadam had WMD………..PLEASE.
Believed as in misled.
http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/sep/10iraq.htm
No WMD found in Iraq: Report
Funny, the Chinese Supporter of the Forum seem to have no problem speculating on the two PLAN Carriers. With virtually no facts to support there size, shape, design, purpose, etc. etc. etc. Yet, I can’t even throw out a hypothetical counter from Japan or South Korea???
As if they don’t have at least three Russian made carriers already on their ports to study.
As for containing China…………its hard to feel China is being open and honest about its intentions. When it gets a Carrier from Ukrainian by flat out lying about its purpose. Unless you really believe they planned on making a Casino out of it in the first place! Really, its just like the old Cold War / Communist Days of years gone by………Just more secrets and deception!:eek:
With all do respect…………If, there is any paranoia in the West. It is of Chinese Origin.
Yeah right, as if lying doesn’t go both ways. Like one country invading a country for WMDs that weren’t there.
The difference is that a small UCAV or AshM is more likely to be “stealthed” against X-band. It’s progressively more difficult to stealth against longer frequency bands because of the physical size the resonating structures and thickness of radar absorbing structures and materials, have to be correspondingly and proportionally increased in size with the lengthening wavelength. So the VLO object is more likely to be seen earlier and ahead by an S-band rather than an X-band radar. Missile terminal guidance is another matter however since all that has to be at least in the X-band. But of course, the L-band radar can also spot the VLO object too, but even if there is no sure fire solution, don’t you think its better to have two radars seeing it, and engaging the target earlier with the second radar, rather than one radar seeing it, and engaging the target later with the second radar?
My my, how scary the thought of mighty China failing to get a trivial catapult working… 😮
So why are you bothering to reply? Or are you the one actually scared China would get it working.
So they just built the model and tested it for…. fun? 😀 Maybe those catapults are for launching their mother-in-laws into space? But of course, if we don’t see it on PLAN’s carriers it might just be that they couldn’t solve the structural design problems of cutting slots into the deck of a carrier, or that they might simply not be able to get the damn thing to work without breaking the pilot’s back.
Yack yack yack. Like I said, let the real engineers worry about it, not some flozzie in the Internet.
Let’s see if they are successful then… 😉 6 more years to the answer.
Let the engineers decide on that, not some guy in the Internet. And let them decide on the time table, not because some reporter said so (Asahi Shinbun is a good newspaper but no means this article is officially represents the PRC).
Even if China had access to those steam cats, they aren’t suitable for use on modern aircraft, and scaling them up isn’t as easy as simply mentioning it.
Only the more reason why they would make something to test and develop it.
most articles describing apar and sampson pointing out the limited range of apar compared to sampson but apar has to be seen as one part of the apar/smart-l combo. from my point of view this X/L-band combo is more interesting than a S/L-band combo. i do not need two radars which are both capable of doing long range volume search. if i decide to use two radars why not using one frequency band for long range detection and one for high resolution tracking and medium range horizontal search?
S-band is actually a very sweet spot for a naval SAM radar because it is a good balance of range and tracking qualities. Remember, the SPY-1 can continually track using S-Band and has enough tracking resolution to feed missile midphase updates. At the same time, frequency isn’t too short for all the weather phenomenon and small useless things like birds to show up on radar as it does on X-band.
i don’t know if Silicon Carbide is the first choice in future but afaik right now there is also no S-band radar using it. if there will be such a radar ready to be fielded in the future perhaps we will compare it to the others.
Lockheed Martin is trying to develop a SiCa based array.
Assuming China has steam cats in the first place.
Assuming they bothered to remove the steam catapult off the Melbourne before she was scrapped in a Chinese shipyard.
But then all the Russian carriers in the Chinese harbors don’t have cats.
But all three of them happen to be steam turbined nonetheless. Especially the Varyag.
Simply because there is no suitable diesel or Gas turbine solution for powering carriers. Commercial marine diesel currently available are designed to run at only 16kts and are too massive in size.
Btw a carriers will always need boilers for fresh water. It makes sense to reduce redundancy.
And for the steam catapults?