A subsonic PGM from an F-4 vs a supersonic PGM from an F-22 at higher altitude? Not to mention a PGM launched from a platform that has penetrated air-defences an F-4 couldn’t?
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Hyperwarp – all Metz apparently said was 1600 + mph.
Mach 2.25 at 45000 is about 1493.5 mph.
The DACT was a two-day inspection period where they flew 112 F-22 missions. They simulated 287 missile shots against red air with only one failing to come off the rail. Red air comprised of F-15s, Super Hornets and AT-38s – BVR and WVR combat obviously took place resulting in 220 – 0 kill ratio for the F-22s.
Chuck Mach 1.4 at sea level is very high indeed. But there is a quote around the net somewhere – and I might find it – where it says that the F-22 pilots constantly have to throttle back for fear of exceeding the jets operational speed limits. Which was said to be very easy and especially easy at low level.
As to the radar the official line seems to be anywhere from 193 km to 266 km vs 1m2.
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I also wondered about that toan – that explains it.
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I wouldn’t be shocked if it could but for now we won’t know officially.
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Right but where did HE get them. Hopefully he didn’t just pull them out of his backside. What are his sources? The reason I ask is that Paul Metz himself said the F-22 was faster than Mach 2.25. I think I’ve seen that Mach 1.82 supercruise figure in Jay Miller’s F-22 book.
He went to Langley and visited the 1st and 192nd Fighter Wings. While aerodynamically I have no doubt the F-22 can exceed Mach 2.25 – but that’s what it’s operationally limited to currently – at least officially. A few years back it was Mach 2.0 and before that Mach 1.8.
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Airforces Monthly or AFM by Mark Ayton.
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Get a job at BAE. 🙂
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What? The Rafale is rather elegant, in my opinion the best looking of the current crop of European fighters, & in a completely different league from the F-18 & F-18E. Whatever their good qualities, the F-18 & F-18E have the sort of looks that only their mothers, or someone with a similar emotional attachment, can find pleasant.
Oh come on the twin seat SH is gorgeous!!!!
They use missiles in star wars.
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Again fantastic!!!!!
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Fantastic TEEJ – what day was this?
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Hell, you probably could do that with human spotters and SMS on a clear day. :p
🙂 Can you see tactical fighters at alts of 65000 ft and up :)?
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Guys are there any good Rafale airshow vids? Or demo displays etc.
I guess you missed the sensor fusion part eh 😉
I don’t think so matey. 🙂 Using modern day brochure jargon doesn’t change the fact that shooter radars have serious issues against well co-ordianted VLO attacks. The best the large, slow, imobile and vulnerable long wave radars can do is help cue the shooter radars to a VLO’s general location – but they (the shooters) still can’t achieve firing solutions unless the VLO target is within range; oh and thats before they (LW) are destroyed on the first day of war like in GW1.
One could use long wave radars to fire a few SAMs into the VLO’s general location and hopefully create a ‘net’ where one of them might get close enough to actively aquire the VLO target. That has issues itself because of the size of the missiles radar. They might have to get within 2-3 kilometers or less before they can lock on. 🙂
Not to say its impossible for VLO to be defeated. If the VLO flight is not well co-ordinated presenting its ‘lesser’ angles to the SAM, things can get interesting. Worse, if a trap is set and the VLO takes the bait – flying within a SAMs engagement zone without realising it’s there. Tactics are far more deadly than the systems themselves. Thus the very mobile shooter radars with good tactics are probably much more effective against VLO than any combination of strategic LW/Optical ‘data-fused’ air defense systems.
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When we assume an operational F-22 we will surely have lower figures, I guess something like M1.5 SC and M2 max.
Hey Schorsch. While I tend to agree with you – apparently the AFM information came from 1st FW personnel; which leads me to the conclusion that they are basing these facts on operational F-22s. Obviously flying at Mach 1.5 has fuel economy benefits to flying at Mach 1.82 assuming the same altitude; so I’m not saying this is what they do all the time, but it seems it’s a case of if they have to – they have the capability.
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