The (Still ) HrMs Van Nes leaves the drydock in Den Helder already in Portuguese-Grey and with PN Pennant
Well, it isn’t that serious. But lets face it – the reaction would be drastically different had a Russian plane ‘accidentally’ suffered a ‘navigation failure’ and flown into US airspace. It might be seen as deliberately provocative and potentially dangerous.
we must always keep track of the perspective :dev2: 😀
FC Porto’s inclusion in Champions League under threat
17/5/2008
UEFA is to evaluate if FC Porto is allowed to enter next Champion League’s competition after corruption charges brought against the club in Portugal resulted in the club being docked six points. UEFA will only make their decision after they receive the FPF (Portuguese Football Federation) list of Portuguese clubs qualified for the European competitions, which is expected to include the club from Oporto.
A spokesman for UEFA acknowledged that they were aware of FC Porto’s two corruption charges and said they can only evaluate the inclusion in the competition after they receive the list from the FPF.
What makes their enrolment uncertain is the rule that states if a club has been involved in any activity related to influence the outcome of a game, national or international, it cannot enrol in the Champions League.
FC Porto were penalised €150,000 and lost six points. They did not appeal, which in some quarters is seen as a position that could damage their case with UEFA, should the European football body rule against the club, which ended 20 points ahead of second-placed Sporting.
Edition: 959
http://www.the-news.net/cgi-bin/google.pl?id=959-50
FC Porto at risk of being booted out of Champions League
UEFA could exclude Dragons in wake of corruption scandal
FC Porto are at risk of being disqualified from participation in next season’s Champions League owing to the ‘Final Whistle’ corruption scandal.
The Portuguese League’s Disciplinary Committee penalised the three-time Portuguese champions with a six-point penalty and heavy fine, as well as banning club president Pinto da Costa from sporting activity for two years, for having been found guilty of attempting to bribe referees in the 2003/04 season.
The penalty was largely meaningless, given that the Dragons had already won the league by a 20-point margin, but now it has emerged that the club may be thrown out of European competition as a result of their wrongdoings.
It would prove a massive blow to the team, both in terms of prestige and financial rewards. The Portuguese club, along with Manchester United, hold the record number of appearances in what was formerly the European Cup since it adopted the Champions League format.
http://www.portugoal.net/Porto0708/200805141UefaBanPossibility.htm
UEFA rules for the Champions League:
“1.04 To be eligible to participate in the competition, a club must fulfil the following criteria:
(…)
d) it must not be or have been involved in any activity aimed at arranging or
influencing the outcome of a match at national or international level;”,
“Regulations of the UEFA Champions League”, page 2
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf
FC Porto’s inclusion in Champions League under threat
17/5/2008
UEFA is to evaluate if FC Porto is allowed to enter next Champion League’s competition after corruption charges brought against the club in Portugal resulted in the club being docked six points. UEFA will only make their decision after they receive the FPF (Portuguese Football Federation) list of Portuguese clubs qualified for the European competitions, which is expected to include the club from Oporto.
A spokesman for UEFA acknowledged that they were aware of FC Porto’s two corruption charges and said they can only evaluate the inclusion in the competition after they receive the list from the FPF.
What makes their enrolment uncertain is the rule that states if a club has been involved in any activity related to influence the outcome of a game, national or international, it cannot enrol in the Champions League.
FC Porto were penalised €150,000 and lost six points. They did not appeal, which in some quarters is seen as a position that could damage their case with UEFA, should the European football body rule against the club, which ended 20 points ahead of second-placed Sporting.
Edition: 959
http://www.the-news.net/cgi-bin/google.pl?id=959-50
FC Porto at risk of being booted out of Champions League
UEFA could exclude Dragons in wake of corruption scandal
FC Porto are at risk of being disqualified from participation in next season’s Champions League owing to the ‘Final Whistle’ corruption scandal.
The Portuguese League’s Disciplinary Committee penalised the three-time Portuguese champions with a six-point penalty and heavy fine, as well as banning club president Pinto da Costa from sporting activity for two years, for having been found guilty of attempting to bribe referees in the 2003/04 season.
The penalty was largely meaningless, given that the Dragons had already won the league by a 20-point margin, but now it has emerged that the club may be thrown out of European competition as a result of their wrongdoings.
It would prove a massive blow to the team, both in terms of prestige and financial rewards. The Portuguese club, along with Manchester United, hold the record number of appearances in what was formerly the European Cup since it adopted the Champions League format.
http://www.portugoal.net/Porto0708/200805141UefaBanPossibility.htm
UEFA rules for the Champions League:
“1.04 To be eligible to participate in the competition, a club must fulfil the following criteria:
(…)
d) it must not be or have been involved in any activity aimed at arranging or
influencing the outcome of a match at national or international level;”,
“Regulations of the UEFA Champions League”, page 2
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf
not sure if it’s a repost…


a friend found this polish site with some explanations about the changes that will be applyed to Gorshkov
http://www.designnews.pl/programy1205.php4?art=502
Unfortunately I do not understand polish:confused:
The Portuguese Government has announced yesterday the purchase of the Frigates “Cte João Belo” and “Cte Sacadura Cabral” by Uruguay.
Both ships will sail from Lisbon beggining of April already under the Flag of Uruguay.
The cost of both units was 13 M€.

Just a short update
the Van Nes will be renamed NRP Bartolomeu Dias (F-333)
the Van Galen will be renamed NRP D. Francisco de Almeida (F-334)
The Bartolomeu Dias will be transferred officially in late November but will remian in Dutch waters until March/April 2009, due to the shortage of training plantforms within the Dutch navy and will serve as basis for trainment of the crew of the 2nd ship.
Brahmos Naval Version Tested Successfully
(Source: Indian Ministry of Defence; issued March 6, 2008)
A naval version of the Brahmos cruise missile was successfully tested off Andamans coast this morning. The missile was launched from the decks of INS Rajput at 10.30 AM and precisely hit a land target in one of the islands of Andaman and Nicobar.
DRDO scientists said the missile met all flight parameters during its launch, flight and zeroed in on the designated target among the group of targets, destroying it with a thunderous blast.
This mission is very important as it has established the sea to land attack capability of the formidable weapon system. It was the 15th successive successful launch of the Brahmos missile, developed jointly by India and Russia.
The Indian Navy’s Andaman & Nicobar Command provided the logistics support to the missile test. The command deployed ten ships, three aircraft and three helicopters for mission support. The parameters set for the mission were kept extremely difficult including the positioning of the target to achieve maximum output. The 100 percent success of the launch once again demonstrated the tremendous capability of BRAHMOS weapon system.
The launch was witnessed by Dr.A. Sivathanu Pillai, CEO & MD of BrahMos Aerospace, along with the officiating Commander in Chief of the Andaman Command, Rear Admiral P.K. Nair along with other senior naval officers and defence scientists.
The Defence Minister Shri A.K. Antony congratulated the Navy and team of scientists for the successful launch of Brahmos.
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Arguments for completing modernization of the Admiral Gorshkov
16:32 | 27/ 02/ 2008Print version
MOSCOW. (Military commentator Nikita Petrov for RIA Novosti) – U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates arrived in India Tuesday amid rumors that he is to offer the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk as a sweetener if New Delhi buys 65 Boeing Super Hornet fighters.
The fighters are Boeing’s offering in a fierce competition with European and Russian rivals for a multi-billion deal to supply the Indian Air Force. Other bidders include the Russian MiG-35 Fulcrum F, the French Rafale, the European Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon, and the Swedish Grippen.
According to a report from the Texas-based private intelligence group Stratfor, the “gift” would be designed to ensure victory at the tender, because an aircraft carrier without deck aircraft is a harmless floating airfield. It could also woo India away from Russia, which is currently refitting the air-capable cruiser Admiral Gorshkov for the Indian Navy at the Sevmash shipyard in northern Russia.
The U.S. probably needn’t go to such lengths. New Delhi has its own reasons for terminating the contract with Sevmash, which is lagging behind the agreed schedule and has set back the completion date from 2008 to 2012. The deadline may well be postponed again, because the shipyard has spent the $750 million India had provided for the carrier’s modernization and has no money for completing the job.
The problems did not appear yesterday. The deadlines and the allocations stipulated in the original 2004 contract were unrealistic from the beginning, and even prompted the resignation of David Pashayev, the shipyard’s director.
Pashayev sharply criticized the Russian officials for what he saw as an inability and unwillingness to drive a harder bargain over price, and for putting unbearable responsibility on the shipyard, which had not received regular budgetary allocations for the projects it was already doing for the government (at the time it was working on a new nuclear submarine, the Yury Dolgoruky.)
Not unlike the rumored gift of the Kitty Hawk, the sale of the Admiral Gorshkov was above all a political decision, designed to tie New Delhi to the Russian defense sector. But it was also the only way of getting funds for its normal maintenance.
By 2004 the Admiral Gorshkov had been standing in Sevmash docks for nearly seven years, and nobody knew what to do with it. Built in the early 1980s, the Kiev class carrier no longer fitted the requirements of the Russian Navy.
Designed to host custom built but never mass produced, Yak-38 fighters, the Admiral Gorshkov’s flight deck was too short for the Russian Navy’s standard MiG-29K Fulcrum and the Su-33 Flanker, both designed to use a ski-jump for carrier takeoff. Russia lacked $2.5-$3 billion to add the modifications these aircraft needed for carrier takeoff.
When India showed an interest in the carrier, Russia was only too glad to be rid of it. The contract for modernization and the supply of MiG-29K fighters (India will pay for their ski-jump) and other equipment promised major profits and long-term cooperation with India.
The total contract was estimated at $1.5 billion, about half of which was to be spent on developing modernized MiG-29K deck fighters capable of day/night, all-weather, year-round operation in any climate, including tropics with ambient temperatures up to +35° C. The ship itself was sold to India at the price of scrap metal, $150-$200 per metric ton.
Just as David Pashayev had warned, however, the contract hugely underestimated the true costs of modernization. The plunge of the dollar and the subsequent surge in prices of equipment and skilled labor, as well as high requirements set by the Indian Navy, made the project unrealizable.
The Admiral Gorshkov will have French, Israeli and Indian equipment, which will have to be adjusted to the Russian-made systems. This entails a series of R&D projects and trials. More funds are to be spent on the improvement of the MiG-29K, which can engage not only air, but also surface and submarine, targets.
Indian pilots saw the MiG-29K at the Zhukovsky airfield near Moscow two years ago, and were impressed. Additional funds are needed for its mass production, however, and New Delhi has refused to pay a rupee more. Moreover, it has threatened to fine Russia for failure to deliver on time.
As usual, Russian officials found a scapegoat and fired Sevmash director Vladimir Pastukhov, but this has neither improved the situation nor added money for completing the ship’s modernization. In an apparent effort to encourage the Indians to pay more, the Russian press cited an anonymous source from the Russian General Staff, who said that if India terminated the contract the carrier would be turned over to the Russian Navy.
However, nobody has calculated how much this would cost Russia – in fines for breach of contract, adjusting the carrier to Russian requirements, and damage to Russia’s prestige.
Sadly, the debacle of the Admiral Gorshkov is not an isolated incident. Several years ago, the St Petersburg-based Baltic Shipyard and its subcontractors postponed the delivery of three multi-role frigates to the Indian Navy for more than a year because of failure to adjust a new air defense system to the ships’ fire control systems. On that occasion the Indians demanded about $40 million in damages, and it took Russian officials much time and effort to convince them to withdraw their claims.
Later Russia had problems with a diesel submarine modernized for India because of a malfunctioning missile system.
Next India refused to take delivery of a modernized version of the Il-38, a naval patrol and anti-submarine warfare aircraft, because its technical and tactical characteristics did not fit Indian requirements.
Even if America did offer the Kitty Hawk, New Delhi might well refuse the gift. It was built in 1961 and has been declared too old for the U.S. Navy. The Admiral Gorshkov is not only younger (she was laid down in 1978 and launched in 1982), but fully equipped. The U.S. carrier will need to be supplied with new power plants and support, navigation and other systems. Nobody can say now how much this would cost.
In other words, by rejecting the Admiral Gorshkov, India could fall into a new trap with the USS Kitty Hawk. But that would not be Russia’s problem.
The opinions expressed in this article are the author’s and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.
Like you in anyways deserve this:mad: (Taken the facts that the russian naval thread is ruined and the general anti-russian attitude in this forum)…..
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/RCV1143Kiev1.gif
…and never mind the Kubs (It wasen’t me!! ;)), I will try to update the Sthorms to it later on
Please Gollevainen do not stop, this drawings ROCK!!!!!!:eek: 🙂
Only Few Technical, Financial Issues Pending on Gorshkov Deal
(Source: ddi Indian Government news; issued Feb. 22, 2008)
India and Russia have launched experts-level talks to thrash out the “few remaining” technical and financial issues pending on the upgrading of aircraft carrier Gorshkov.
“Hectic efforts are on at all levels to resolve the issue of Gorshkov, which was discussed at the highest political level by President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, and now few remaining technical and financial issues are being discussed at experts level,” Director of 2nd Asia Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry Alexander Maryasov said on Thursday.
Defence Secretary Vijay Singh is presently leading a high-level Indian delegation to Russia to carry out physical verification of additional refit work needed on the aircraft carrier to justify additional costs as claimed by Moscow.
The 45,000 tonne displacement carrier was to have been delivered by August this year as per a USD 1.5 billion contract signed in 2005 but Russia stunned India in November by demanding an additional USD 1.2 billion for refitting and other works.
In a parallel development, RAC MiG Corporation announced on Thursday that it will deliver 16 MiG-29K fighters developed for Gorshkov to India by June this year.
According to the initial agreement, 12 fighters and 4 fighter trainers were to be deployed on Gorshkov after its induction by the Indian navy as INS Vikramaditya.
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Water poured on smoking sub fears
The Australian defence Department is playing down concerns about a Collins Class submarine seen emitting smoke as
it was coming into Sydney.
The sight, about 1.5 kilometres outside the entrance to Sydney Harbour, prompted speculation the submarine might
be in trouble. But a Defence spokeswoman says the smoke was the result of “surface snorting”, a standard procedure
submarines undergo when they are preparing to berth.
She says the submarines release diesel exhaust and steam during the process. The spokeswoman has stressed there is
nothing to be concerned about.
The submarine is no longer blowing smoke and is passing through the harbour heads, accompanied by a second
Collins Class submarine on its way to the Garden Island Naval Base
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Nuclear sub ready for sailing
The Zvezdochka shipyard and mechanical plant in Severodvinsk, Arkhangelsk
Oblast, has completed a six-year long upgrade of the nuclear submarine K-117
“Bryansk”.
The submarine, which was constructed in the late 1980s, docked in
Severodvinsk for repair and upgrades in 2002. After the repairs, the submarine
is better equipped for surveillance and discovery of enemy subs, company press
spokesman Yevgenii Gladyshev says. He also maintains that nuclear security on
board has been significantly improved.
The 167 meter long Delta IV submarine has Gadzhievo in the Kola Peninsula as
its home base.
Source : Barents Observer
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Who said Russia bought it? :confused:
nobody, I think
She was left to Ukraine after the partition of the Black Sea fleet