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  • in reply to: Turkish Air Force – News & Discussion #2354659
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    [size=3]President Gül orders recovery of 1996 crash pilot remains[/size]

    ISTANBUL- Hürriyet Daily News

    President Abdullah Gül has given orders to recover the remains of an F-16 jet pilot, whose body has been in the waters of the Aegean for 16 years, since his aircraft was shot down in a dogfight with Greek fighter jets.

    Gül’s move comes shortly after research boat Nautilus was able to locate the wreckage of a Turkish reconnaissance jet believed to have been downed by Syria. Along with the wreckage Nautilus located and recovered the bodies of the two reconnaissance pilots last week. This has given new hope to the family of F-16 pilot Capt. Nail Erdoğan, whose plane crashed over the Aegean on Oct. 8, 1996.

    His daughter, Evrim Erdoğan, 23, said she hoped her father’s body could be found. “Nautilus was able to pull the bodies of our two pilots from the Mediterranean. It should also find the remains of my father, who became a martyr 16 years ago.”

    After Evrim Erdoğan’s call for help was published in newspapers, President Abdullah Gül ordered the General Staff to recover the remains of Capt. Erdoğan, located 400 meters under the sea a few miles off the coast of the island of Samos, daily Hürriyet reported. Evrim Erdoğan said she was filled with joy upon this order. “I am floating on the air from joy … I hope our joy and excitement will not result in disappointment. I hope they can reach my father, who is sleeping in an iron cage 400 meters deep. We would like to thank our esteemed president for his interest,” Evrim Erdoğan said.

    Tufan Turanlı, the Turkish captain of the world-renowned vessel Nautilus, which is assisting with the removal of the pilots’ bodies from the jet downed over the Mediterranean by Syria last month, stated that the team is now ready to remove Erdoğan’s body from the jet. Erdoğan’s daughter Evrim Erdoğan personally requested that her father’s corpse be removed, Turanlı said.

    “I said before that we would do our best. All the citizens and soldiers of Turkey have equal value to us. Today, I was filled with joy when I saw our president’s order in the newspapers. It is a sacred thing for me to carry out Evrim’s request. I am ready for duty. We will definitely go. If the government authorities ask us, we are ready to do our best,” Turanlı said.

    July/19/2012

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/president-gul-orders-recovery-of-1996-crash-pilot-remains.aspx?pageID=238&nID=25902&NewsCatID=341

    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2287562
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    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2289139
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    Thanks to JJ6

    Doubts Cast on Turkey’s Story of Jet

    U.S. Intelligence, Contradicting Ankara, Indicates Aircraft Was Shot Down by Syria in Its Own Airspace, Officials Say

    By JULIAN E. BARNES, ADAM ENTOUS and JOE PARKINSON

    U.S. intelligence indicates that a Turkish warplane shot down by Syrian forces was most likely hit by shore-based antiaircraft guns while it was inside Syrian airspace, American officials said, a finding in tune with Syria’s account and at odds with Turkey.

    The Turkish government, which moved tanks to the Syrian border after the June 22 incident, says the debris fell in Syrian waters, but maintains its fighter was shot down without warning in international airspace. Ankara also has said the jet was hit too far from Syrian territory to have been engaged by an antiaircraft gun.

    Damascus has said it shot down the plane with an antiaircraft battery with an effective range of about 1.5 miles.

    “We see no indication that it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile” as Turkey says, said a senior defense official. Officials declined to specify the sources of their information. The senior U.S. defense official cautioned that much remains unknown about the incident.

    A Turkish official said he wasn’t aware of the American doubts, and reiterated the government’s position that a Syrian missile downed the plane in international airspace.

    read more…
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304830704577497081567553846.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2289660
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    think!

    Thank you, I do.

    Care to answer the Question?

    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2289893
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    Why was it very appropriate?

    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2290044
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    I still keep to my theory it was a flying mistake! And one should not be killed for that in pease time. I remember 3 shootings downs, The Korean 707 in North Russia, the Korean 747 in Sibiria and the Cessna on Cuba. It seems we have to do with political eagerness 🙁

    Define peace, Ole.

    We have one country Syria in a civil war and we have another country Turkey who is supporting and most likely arming the Rebels from within its borders and allowing them to stage attacks from their territory.

    Remember in 1998 Turkey made threats of war with Syria over one man!

    “The PKK found shelter in Syria for a long time in the 1990s until the expulsion of its leader, Abdullah Öcalan, in 1999, after Turkey threatened its southern neighbour with war.”

    So when they fight against you they are terrorists and when they fight for you, Rebels or Freedom fighters.

    Funny thing perception. If you reverse things aren’t the Kurds doing the same thing in Turkey as the Rebels in Syria?

    Syria had every right to prosecute that RF4 with extreme prejudice.

    P.S.

    Ole, Don’t forget this one.

    “The USS Vincennes is best known for shooting down an Iranian civilian passenger jetliner, Iran Air Flight 655, over the Persian Gulf on July 3, 1988, killing all 290 civilians on board (including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children), sparking an international incident between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America”.

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    [size=2]Helmets found as search continues for missing pilots[/size]

    ISTANBUL

    Helmets belonging to the two missing pilots of the downed Turkish jet were found alongside parts of the plane wreckage, Transportation Minister Binali Yıldırım said, according to daily Hürriyet.

    The search for the missing pilots continues, Yıldırım said.

    Two pairs of boots, also believed to belong to the missing pilots were found several days before, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan had said during a meeting with opposition leaders.

    There were no signs of parachutes near the wreckage and the pilots may not have used their ejection seats, according to information provided by the prime minister.

    Turkish naval and air forces have been attempting to locate Capt. Gökhan Ertan and Lt. Hüseyin Aksoy since their jet was hit by Syrian forces in international waters on June 22.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/helmets-found-as-search-continues-for-missing-pilots.aspx?pageID=238&nID=24171&NewsCatID=341

    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2290621
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    [size=3]Syria shot Turkish jet in front of many eyewitnesses[/size]

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    The eastern Mediterranean is surrounded by many watching military eyes, leading many to wonder why no one witnessed the shooting down of a Turkish jet

    In his address to his Justice and Development Party (AK Parti) in the Parliament today, June 26, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdoğan is expected to make an important statement about the country’s next move regarding Syria’s shooting down of a Turkish reconnaissance plane on June 22 off Syrian coast.

    Following the June 25 cabinet meeting with all three main opposition parties in the Parliament, a meeting with foreign ambassadors in Ankara on June 24 and high-level security meetings on June 23 there has been a heavy diplomatic traffic denouncing Syria since the day the incident occurred, and now all eyes will be on Erdoğan.

    Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, in an interview with state-run television channel TRT on June 24, gave a detailed, minute-by-minute account of the incident and said it was a deliberate attack on an unarmed, open ID plane located outside Syrian territorial waters and without any advance warning given. Davutoğlu is operating as the coordinator of this crisis in Ankara. Despite Davutoğlu’s statements the Syrian government insists the plane was in Syrian territory and quite close, allowing it to be shot by a 2.5 kilometer range anti-aircraft gun.

    Syrian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Jihad Makdissi claimed that they had presented a part of an American made Turkish F-4 plane with bullet holes on it (thus proving the plane was not shot down by a rocket) to Turkey, but no Turkish source has so far confirm that. Turkish search and rescue efforts, on the other hand, found some parts of the cockpit and seats in open sea waters, which are reported to have traces of explosion and fire. The two Turkish pilots are still missing with hopes for their survival decreasing.

    Now Hürriyet Daily News has additional information from official Turkish sources saying the plane was shot at 11:56 a.m. on June 22 (when the radio contact was lost) and crashed into the sea at 11:58 a.m. (when the radar track was lost) and during the one plus minute it glided down into Syrian territorial waters. Turkey says it has given all chronological accounts, including radar tracks and radio communications to its NATO allies and United Nations representations. The European Union Commission imposed new sanctions on Syria and denounced its militaristic politics on June 25. NATO has been called by Turkey for a meeting scheduled today for a presentation of the attack.

    The attack actually took place in front of many eyewitnesses. The north corner of the East Mediterranean is one of the most condensed spot in the world when it comes to military and intelligence activities.

    The Malatya, Erhaç air base of Turkey (see map on the front page) hosts a major early warning radar system for the NATO missile shield defense system, which started operation following the NATO summit in May, serving as a major issue between the United States and Russia. In Tartus, south of the main Syria city of Latakia where the Turkish plane was shot down off the coast, lies Russia’s main naval base in the Mediterranean with important intelligence capabilities. It is important for Russians to be close to three important targets at once; that is the main reason for them to back the actions of the Beshar Al-Assad regime against its own people: Incirlik NATO base, south of Turkey is one of biggest of its kind in the world is north of Tartus. Right to its west there is the Dikelia base of the United Kingdom, a main military and intelligence facility which also keeps an eye on the Suez channel and Aegean. To its south there is Israel, the main threat of its best ally in the region and its host regime, Syria. Perhaps there is no need to say that Israel is trying its best not to miss anything in this highly strategic part of the region.

    There is no need to say that for many countries having satellites, this is a pretty attractive location to watch.

    And so the question is: Is it possible not to see the attack with so many witnesses around? Another question: Is it possible to hide the truth when there are so many eyes watching?

    June/26/2012

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syria-shot-turkish-jet-in-front-of-many-eyewitnesses.aspx?pageID=238&nID=24048&NewsCatID=409

    Bold added by me. :confused: :rolleyes: :confused:

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    Turkey could have downed 114 planes for airspace violations: Army

    Turkey’s air space has been violated 114 separate times so far this year but each instance was quickly resolved peacefully, the General Staff has said following Syria’s downing of a Turkish warplane for violating its airspace.

    “We would have shot down 114 planes if every aircraft that violated a country’s airspace were shot down without questioning,” the General Staff said, according to daily Milliyet.

    A majority of the violations were done by Greek aircraft, with Italian and Israeli aircraft also known to have violated Turkish air space this year. “Air space violations are incidents that happen almost every day, and are resolved in a matter of minutes within international law,” the General Staff said in a statement.

    Six airplanes violated Turkish airspace last week alone, the General Staff said, of which none were shot down and left Turkey’s airspace after they were warned by Turkish personnel.

    A violation of one to two kilometers is accepted as “natural” given the speed of aircraft, the statement said. This year’s violations of Turkish airspace lasted between 20 seconds and nine minutes, which showed “airspace violations can be resolved by warning and interceptions,” the statement said.

    According to radar traces provided by the chief of General Staff, the Turkish F-4 jet that was downed on June 22 was hit 13 nautical miles off the Syrian coast in international waters but crashed in Syrian territorial waters. The records show that the Turkish jet unintentionally violated Syrian airspace at 11:42 a.m. for five minutes, 16 minutes before contact was lost with the jet. At 11:44 a.m. Turkish radars informed the jet that it had entered Syrian airspace and told it to leave as soon as possible.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-could-have-downed-114-planes-for-airspace-violations-army–.aspx?pageID=238&nID=23963&NewsCatID=338

    These guys make me smile. 😀

    You see that Italy, you don’t escape the criticism!

    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2291202
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    This is a thread on Turkey and Syria, not Greece’s foreign policy issues.

    Petro’s point is that Turkey has form with these kind of violations.

    Edit. Beat me to it Petro.

    Anyone want remind the USA how many weapons a Iran Air Airbus A300 can carry?
    The radar operator doesn’t have that kind of info and in my opinion it is irrelevant if the Turkish RF-4E was armed or not.

    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2291317
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    What is the Syrian airspace limit? 12nm? And why does it look smaller on the Turkish supplied graphics? Turkey limit is 12nm right? But to my eye Syria look a little short changed.

    But that’s just me. 😉

    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2291539
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    First, I would like to say I didn’t understand word of what that guy was saying.

    Second, am I the only one here that finds it strange that a Turkish language TV program has english language graphics? I wonder who prepared these and who is the real intended viewer?

    Third, where are the parts of the flight over Cyprus?

    😉

    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2291732
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    These Turkish RF-4 were over Cyprus around 11:30pm that day doing there routine straying violations as Mr Gul has stated. Also an CN235 EW version was in the area as well. They took their pictures of the cypriot defence movements before turning and heading for Syria.

    They were tracked by cypriot radar. It was a wake up call for Turkey.

    in reply to: Turkish F-4 down #2291904
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    Does the Syrian air defence force have a Facebook page? I would very much like to LIKE their post about shooting down the Turkish RF-4.

    Keep up the good job guys!

    in reply to: Military Aviation News-2012 #2320847
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    A series of pictures of yesterdays incident taken by a Bulgarian plane spotter.

    As seen on ΠΤΗΣΗ & ΔΙΑΣΤΗΜΑ’s mags Blog site:
    http://ptisidiastima.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/bulgarian-mig-29/

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