Thanks David… even with it being an early summers evening, it was nigh on impossible to make out her markings against a slate grey sky and with the wind blowing a gale…but it certainly had what appeared to have a late-MK silhouette, so perhaps it was PS915?
Spitfire performing a couple of low circuits over Kenley as I type…
Not discussing the cost of fuel, these two old threads cover the same recovery:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?16281
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?16466
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Pete
Check out the thread & post below Clint:
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11342&p=60551
Pete
🙂 No worries… I see from the loss details I have access to that this example was a 100% loss after crashing into Hare Hill, Balerno, near Edinburgh, on 24-Mar-43. So depending on how much of the Ju88 was left, there may be an intelligence report which includes the details your looking for. Perhaps somebody here has access to the report in question…
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Pete
From the coded worn by this Ju88A-14:
H = aircraft letter which would have either been white, outlined in white or just plain black
M = 4th Staffel, II Gruppe
Propeller spinners could have been white too…
Pete
After reading some of the ridiculous nonsense posted here, the very best of luck to all involved… and for UK residents, the link below will take you to the BBC News 24 live stream:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/tv/bbc_news24/watchlive
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Pete
Two good primers on the subject:
“Aufklarer: Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Aircraft and Units – Volume 1, 1935-1941” by D.Wadman – ISBN 978-1857802689 [Midland, 2007]
“Aufklarer: Luftwaffe Reconnaissance Aircraft and Units – Volume 2, 1942-1945” by D.Wadman – ISBN 978-1857802788 [Midland, 2007]
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Pete
🙂 Many thanks Eric… BTW, I wasn’t questioning your source I was just intrigued to learn where it was taken and what evidence there was that WNr.5367 crashed in/off Holland. For additional interest, here is the same loss as it appear on the Luftwaffe Gen.Qu.6.Abt loss lists for Luftflotte 3, dated 11.05.42:
http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/do217loss.jpg
Note that there is no mention of Norwich… but having said that, the other Do217 loss discussed above (WNr.5375) has no location logged against it either…
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Pete
🙂 My pleasure Richard… I haven’t looked at my electronic scans of the Luftwaffe Gen.Qu.6.Abt loss records to see if they match Balke’s entry, but the anomaly with Eric’s records showing the same loss in Holland is interesting. Perhaps he can share the source so that it too so it can be investigated further. The fact that you appear to have an eye witness to this mysterious second loss would seem to point to the Luftwaffe loss records being correct. I do find it strange that very little appears in the British records though…
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Pete
Hi Eric… I’ve just pulled my copy of “Der Luftkrieg in Europa, Teil 2” by U.Balke [Bernard & Graefe, 1990] off my library shelf and the author does indeed have this loss listed as WNr.5367 with the loss location simply recorded just as Norwich. He also has the complete crew listed for U5+CT as:
Of course, it wouldn’t be the first time that the Luftwaffe Gen.Qu.6.Abt loss records might have recorded the loss location incorrectly…
Pete
..but we have different Wk Nr and different location. 🙂
WNr yes… locations… no 😉
I have access to a loss database which shows that as well as the Poringland example, we also have a second Do217 loss for 9th May 1942:
Not much, but perhaps a lead?
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Pete
Great minds… and all that Mark 😉
Pete