Apparently there’s issues with certification for flying in European/German airspace due to lack of certain key systems such as autonomous collision avoidance systems. And it means loss of $1 billion made in investment.
I doubt the Croats will do anything. They’re military is woefully neglected – e.g. upgrade for full tank fleet M84D standard has only been declared now, RBS-15 missiles are non-operational due to poor maintenance/servicing, and a large number of Mi-8s need overhauling and are unserviceable.
Serb MiG-29s entered service in 1987 and are some of the oldest in the world.
Croatian press has stated that the overhauls carried out in Ukraine were satisfactory (the were issues with the MiG-21 overhauled in Romania). I wonder if there is collaboration between Ukraine and Russia fo refurbishment of aircraft. Those Algerian MiG-21 were supposed to be sent back to Russia, not Ukraine.
I would not be surprised if this is the case.
With regards to work carried out in Romania, the Croats in some instances only managed to eek out 100 hours flying time instead of 850 as specified.
However there’s no mention of Croatian maintenance standards.
Given Croatia left this overhaul to last minute, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the Croatian government that’s not pumping money into maintenance.
For air policing in Europe you don’t need the ability to blast people at long range. In fact a BVR kill on an errant Boeing or Airbus or even a Cessna or Bulgarian MiG-29 would have horrific ramifications.
Air policing is essentially a non-combat activity.
Radar picks up an unidentified aircraft, jets are scrambled/diverted to intercept and make a visual ID and then escort the offending aircraft to correct flight path or out of national airspace.
Even in tense areas such as the Aegean Sea, the Turks and Greeks are not shooting down aircraft straying into their airspace, let alone with BVR AMRAAM/MICA.
Consistent breaches of airspace sovereignty are dealt with diplomatically and not shoot downs.
Sure in a time of war, those air police jets become combat coded assets. But given strategic outlook for Serbia, only “threat” they have is NATO.
Never understood the logic either. Yet, most of the current Super Hornet Squadrons are some of the oldest and more famous units. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if some convert from Hornets to Super Hornets. Leaving the Squadron Names for the newer F-35C.
That would make sense.
Its more about Serbia getting its airforce and aeronautics branch back to present, and forward.
I agree acquisition of a new aircraft to recapitalise airforce is completely the right thing to do.
As I’ve said, there are no guarantees money will be available in future either (though I’m sure Scooter would say something along the lines of “when economy is better, they will buy F-35.” :p ).
Of coarse, like I said earlier, having any number of Mig-29Ms in inventory armed with R-77s is a threat to any foreign intruder.
If there’s any offensive action against Serbia, a few MiG-29Ms with R-77 won’t stop the foreigners from rolling Serbian AF over.
Of course the only group capable of performing any offensive action is NATO and they’d have F-22s + F-15Cs + AWACS + EW providing top cover.
For air policing, R-73 is sufficient as you usually need visual confirmation and in any case opening fire in air policing is unheard of in modern times.
Interesting that an F/A-18E squadron is set to convert to F-35C in place of an F/A-18A-D squadron.
But then US squadrons tend to swap planes like toilet paper.
I remember reading about ANG units who went from F-51 to F-84 to F-89 and then back to F-51 in space of a few years.
And right now 153 Squadron is planning to replace C-27s with the KC-135s it flew up to 2011.
Crazy!
Old video game by the looks of it – 1989 vintage.
lets see
Serbia’s neighborsBosnia: no fighters
Croatia: dying mig-21 force
Kosovo: no fighters
Makedonia: no fighters
Hungary: 14 Gripens
Bulgars: 16 Mig-29s only. mig-21 to be retired, su-25 grounded
Romania: 12 F-16s to replace LancersI could see your point.. very impotent neighbors.. yet 16 Bulgar Fulcrums are a cause for concern, especially the aggressive nature of Bulgar foreign policies.
perhaps Wanderlei is right and Serbia should get a newer better model of mig-29 to counter the older migs..
Bulgarian MiG-21s were retired in 2012.
Bulgaria is part of NATO and as such it’s foreign policies are severely constrained.
Actually I think if Serbia and Croatia aren’t really that interested in maintaining even a basic all weather air policing capability, then outsourcing the function to NATO/Russia would be the smart thing to do.
I’m sure the Russians would love an airbase so close to Western Europe.
Most of the rest of the Balkans doesn’t have any air policing capability and neighbouring countries that do seldom have much more capability anyway.
With that kind of third world set up, you might as well as deactivate the fighter fleet and spend the money on something more useful like SAR or schools or roads or hospitals.
At least the Serbs are looking at investment in their force.
I think the worst option for Serbia (and Croatia) is to keep flying the antiquainted MiG-21s.
Whilst there is no money now, there will probably be no money in the future either. Keep delaying the purchase of new aircraft and eventually you stop flying aircraft.
I suspect this will happen to Croatia – they’ll “fly” the MiG-21bis to 2023 as basically a glorified 1960s day fighter with limited flight hours per pilot (less than 100 per annum) and then in 2023 they’ll scrap the ability altogether due to lack of funds.
Serbia risks the same thing with their supersonic fleet – once it’s gone it’ll probably stay gone.
as for J-7,
It will never happen anywhere in balkans. trust me. 🙂
People there would take down the government with their bare hands and lynch them if it gets announced that any money is being spent on such an old design, no matter when it came off the production line.
Croatia is looking at purchasing additional 1970s vintage MiG-21bis to maintain a squadron of 12 a/c. F-7 with HOTAS, HUD, MFD, Mil 1553 Std, modern radar, modern AAMs, is a lot better than these old crates. But then with an overhaul/acquisition budget of US$28 million, beggars can’t be chosers.
It also shows why Croatia’s MiG-21 will be the first and last fighter operated by that force. Government is unwilling to invest any money in defence. It didn’t buy new fighters before GFC and now has a handy excuse to not invest anymore.
I think the bigger issue would be buying Chinese.
Maybe France and Germany will do it after all in 2025-2040, Gripen E is good enough for Sweden (with complement of UCAV) until 2040 or even longer.
The rest will stuck to there 4 gen upgrades, until 2040, maybe a stealth UCAV complement i think.
I don’t think many European air forces will be buying stealth UCAVs unless there’s a big change in the global strategic outlook.
Most European AF are becoming police forces with only limited peace time defence capabilities (aka air policing and humanitarian/civil defence).
Even the Luftwaffe seems to be heading that way – apparently there’s not much of an emphasis on the ground attack role in the Eurofighter wings. After Tornado goes the way of the dodo in 2020, there’s only 140 Eurofighters and by the looks of it, the Germans aren’t too interested in maintaining any significant offensive capability with them.
that’s good because Turkey is in Europe. Thus they have access to European markets
I don’t think any European state will buy a Turkish fighter aircraft in the next few decades.
Just for curiosity, a photo of a MiG-21 at Sokol factory. Underneath the 08 code it is possible to see Arab numbers. A few years ago it was stated in the press that contracts for modern aircraft (MiG-29) included the return of older aircraft (MiG-21) to be used as spares or for other customers.
In the Croatian forums there is discussion of maybe obtaining some of 8 ex-Yemeni MiG-21s that the Yemenis cancelled the overhaul. Two of these 8 were ex-Algerian birds.
The Yemenis originally contracted a Ukrainian firm to overhaul 30 of them but only took delivery of 22 and then cancelled the contract on grounds of poor work.
The Croat enthusiasts are denying the poor workmanship claim and instead are stating Yemen made up the story so they could cancel the MiG-21 overhaul order which became superflous once MiG-29SMT’s were delivered.
By any standard, Croatian fighter force is a pathetic joke. Most of the 10 airframes are unserviceable and there are no pilots qualified for night or bad weather flying.
In a recent bombing exercise, the only pilots qualified to fly ground attack missions were the squadron commander and test pilot.
Also plenty of T-38s available for spares support, including primary user, USAF.
F-5A/B is getting to be a rare bird – in fact other than Spain the only other countries still using it are Botswana and Iran (from memory).