1000-2000 planes sold instantly ?!
The question is to whom?
Sheytanelkebir has already done a market analysis from which you can see the market isn’t really there.
Fighter and complex weapons sales in general are in terminal decline. There is no real demand for them.
In the 1980s it was still common to see 100+ aircraft orders. Now 60 is a huge sale and the average seems to be 20 odd.
And very often those 20 odd are the entire fighter fleet of a country.
That looks awful lot like a Mig-21; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7
It is the only aeroplane with turbofan to go mach 2 excluding Helwan HA-300 by Willy Messerschmitt using under 65 kN thrust ?!
F-7 is a MiG-21 knock off – initially MiG-21F-13 and later MiG-21MF.
And it has a turbojet.
Bangladesh bought newly build F-7BGI fighters from China last year
Bangladesh is also one of the world’s poorest countries.
Ironically it’s F-7s are far more advanced than the Iranian ones and their avionics are probably more advanced than the avionics of most aircraft in Iranian service.
and we saw only way to stay independent to let Germany protect us while they attacked USSR.
My only point of contention.
Finland also attacked USSR at roughly the same time and was planning it’s attack in conjunction with German attacks. In fact on 25/28 May Finnish and German officers met to discuss the offensive plans.
Not discussing whether it was justified or not, just that you did.
We are discussing Finland’s participation in Continuation War aren’t we, not pre-1941 German-Soviet machinations?
Whatever the case, the Finns threw their lot in with Germany. By 1944 you had German formations fighting the Soviets on Finnish soil (including 122 Infanterie Division, a StuG Abteilung and a Luftwaffe air group (Luftflotte 1 and 5)
EDIT: Oh and a joint Finnish-German naval detachment on Lake Lagoda.
The Finns allowed Germans to use their airbases prior to Barbarossa – recce elements of Luftflotte I were deployed to Finland on 20/06/41 (remembering Operation Barbarossa started 22/06/41). On 22/06/41 Luftwaffe starterd to deploy bomber aircraft in Finland.
Finns couldn’t have them and USSR could gain easy victory
I doubt a handful of G-50s would’ve resulted in easy victory for Finns. The Finnish ground forces did spectacularly well in Winter War without air superiority anyhow.
And I didn’t ignore Stalin – Finland was in between a rock and a hard place.
But your contention that they were not the aggressors in 1941 is incorrect (but then the Soviets were aggressors in 1939).
I was talking about Finland’s plans to attack Soviet Union once Barbarossa was under way.
Finland was in for a penny, in for a pound. They didn’t need a Soviet airtrike to assault USSR, just a belief the Germans would roll the Soviets over.
The Finns did have limited goals though, which irritated the Germans to no end.
And had it suited him, Herr Hitler would’ve tried rumbling his Panzers through Sweden and Switzerland.
We all understand this…but I still insist we were and still are a democracy…no matter what the soldiers were rehearsing with who.
In a democracy no one can start a war unless being attacked upon. Had soviets not been bombing for a week continuosly the regime could not have given the order to start hostilities..we did not start a war. I am pretty sure some circles did have some optimistic views that Germany may win USSR and we can collect what was stolen in Winterwar ( sorta like justice ).
In a democracy anyone can start a war without being attacked – look at USA-UK in Iraq in 2003 or Anglo-French attack on Egypt in 1956 or invasion of Grenada etc etc.
The Finns had already started mobilising troops before the Soviets air strikes.
They were aware of German preparations and German aims.
Even if the Soviets did not launch air strikes, the Finns would’ve attacked USSR to regain lost ground as that’s what they were planning to do.
I love European revisionism – when I was in Italy, one of our tour guide was talking about the US liberating Italy. Hang on, weren’t the Eyeties number 2 in the Axis and didn’t the Germans get involved in Greece and North Africa to save Italian buttS?
I suspect the same applies to Finland – you made a bad call in 1941 which resulted in Soviets causing you massive damage in 1944.
We had also very few candidates to go-belligerent with after USSR attacked…and before it as well.
You could’ve stayed neutral ala Sweden or Switzerland or stay out of the fighting ala Bulgaria (who only got involved by stabbing the Germans in the back).
Thanks Spudman.
So South Korea can plug in easily.
Seems it’ll come down to the dollars!
EDIT: I hope Scooter will be ok if South Korea goes with the F-15. Guess if you squint really, really hard F-15 looks kinda like F-35.
Then when they attacked USSR in 1941 they said they stand in alliance with Finland…which caused immediate attack on our cities from USSR ( we were an independent democracy ). After a weeks bombardment from USSR we had to declare war with USSR and fight with Germany 1941-1944..
Finland openly sided with Germany (as Co-belligerent) in 1941 in the Continuation War in a bid to regain territory lost in 1940.
Finland was preparing military operations before the Soviet bombing.
Does anyone know what the planned F-35 production rate by 2016-18?
How would that work in terms of F-35 delivery schedules?
We’ve got numerous customers signing up for actual jets (USAF/USMC/USN, RAF, Japan, Israel and probably other partner countries ordering jets by that period).
One would expect partners states or previous export orders (Japan) to get first dibs on deliveries?
Whereas F-15 delivery schedule is free (from memory Saudi Arabia has not signed order yet).
Also remember they’ve got KFX in the pipeline.
Well, it the past I would have considered it more sabre rattling on North Koreas part. Yet, I think South Korea isn’t going to bend this time. So, if the North crosses the line like it did last year. All bets are off………:eek:
That’s just your opinion. 😀
And meanwhile in the real world their airforce is still flying 1970s vintage F-4/-5/-14, small numbers of MiG-29s and Su-24s as well as that mighty air defence virtuouso: the Chengdu F-7.
Thanks Slowman.
I think F-15 makes more sense for South Korea.
There is a lot of F-4 and F-5s that need replacing sooner rather than later and waiting for F-35 could result in having to operate obsolete aircraft for a long time.
As is everything you post.
Why do you post on a forum if you don’t like opinions or any discussion other than “F-35 is great”?
Point is that in 2003 and 2011, Gaddafhi and Hussein didn’t really cross any lines that would’ve usually warranted intervention from Western forces.
The North Koreans are currently not really crossing any lines either, other than rhetoric.
There’s been no redeployment of North Korean forces and all that is coming out is wind.
The South Koreans are right to engage without non-nuclearisation clause. It gets things moving.
It’s easy for US to take hardline when it’s not actually threatened (despite glorious leaders’ wet dreams).