cloud_9Damn, thats really bad news. My thoughts are with those that have lost their jobs.:(
Main question here though is what does this mean for other airlines such as Iceland Express and TonleSap Airlines, as they all had aircraft on lease/loan to them by Astreaus, does this mean that they will just cease operations too?:confused:
cloud_9Phew! Glad there were no injuries, and full credit to the pilots for executing a safe landing.
Some questions I wish to ask though…
Would the pax have been told that the landing gear was not down prior to the landing?
What about the a/c now though…will it be a write-off?
cloud_9According to GCM, LHR-SIN is 10,888km in distance, so this would not qualify as ULH, as it has to be over 12,000km. Same for LHR-LAX, which comes up at 8,780km.;)
cloud_9Thanks garryrussell for that info.;)
When you say “withdrawn from use”, is that just from FlyBe’s use or is it going to be parted out?
cloud_9Nice shots, but a couple of questions to ask if I may…
Why is the Nordwind Airlines A321 got an M- reg on her, I thought this was registered to the Isle of Man, and could only be used for private aircraft?
Also, anyone know what’s happening/ed to G-JEDI…is FlyBe leasing her to another airline, or has she just come back from being leased?
Great shots, keep ’em coming, always enjoy looking at your stuff.:)
cloud_9Nice to see a refresh of a livery, and at least they haven’t chosen to go all boring like so many other airlines simply because it costs too much to display a decent paintscheme.
Congrats to your friend Bmused55, I bet he’s chuffed to see something he designed soon to be flying in the skies above us…!
cloud_9http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=91121
Seems that the profit is not all that it seems
From the thread that you linked to…
Singapore Airlines, in its own recently-released full-year figures, stated that its associated companies lost S$106 million ($73 million) in the fourth quarter to March 2009.
“That’s largely coming out of our investment in Virgin Atlantic,” said Singapore Airlines senior vice-president for finance Chan Hon Chew.
And how many other associated companies and subsidaries does Singapore Airlines own or have investment percentages in…and, even if this is the case, I would say that this is the fault of Singapore, not Virgin’s, as it was them that chose to invest in Virgin, not the other way round?
Im all for Rewarding Staff if a profit was made…
Really…
Separately, it has emerged that BA boss Willie Walsh and other executives will receive substantial pay rises after the two airlines merge.
Mr Walsh will become chief executive of the combined company – International Consolidated Airlines Group – and will see his basic pay rise 12% to £825,000 a year.
He will also be eligible for performance-related bonuses under the merger deal, that will be capped at twice his basic pay, or £1.65m
BA chief financial officer Keith Williams, will see his basic pay rise 43% to £630,000 after his promotion to replace Mr Walsh as BA chief executive
Mr Williams’ bonus will be capped at 1.5 times his basic salary.
Obviously this was reported back when WW was CEO at BA, but it seems like BA prefer to reward their management with higher salaries and inflated bonuses, rather than reward their front-line staff for their hard work!
…but to hand out a reward then Axes 600 staff seems quite odd to me , and it seem to backs up my initial comments about the so called Profit and the creative accountancy that they use
And yet again I find myself asking you to back up your statements…where did you get the figure of “600” staff from?
Also, how many of those supposed “600” staff were front-line workers…probably not that many, more likely to be admin/back-office staff that they no require seeing as they have managed to double their profits from the previous year! And at least they got a reward before they left, unlike at BA where I suspect you’d be lucky to given a “Thank you”.
And, so what if they made redundancies after a profitable year. Even Steve Ridgway said himself after announcing the financial results that the next year was “going to be tough” and that the airline would “cut costs as aggressively as possible.” And as we know, staff costs are one of the biggest expense.
And is that A good Business Strategy especially when the parent company exposes the truth
Errr…which parent company are you talking about here?
If your talking about Singapore exposing the truth, I think you meant to say partner company, not parent company?
BA on the other have a legal duty to issue correct figures as they are a PLC and are listed on the Stock Exchange, they aren’t using smoke and Mirrors to make themselves look good.
Economics yet again ,its the same old story from you Cloud 9 you seem to think that the Economic recession dose not affect BA, it effects them a lot more than the tiddlers at LHR a Lot more
Tosh, absolute tosh!:mad:
Please do inform me where I implied or suggested that the economic recession does not affect BA…I’d really like to know?!
The economic recession affects all airlines, and I would in fact agree with what you just said above about it affecting BA a lot more, but that is as a consequence of them being listed on the stock market as it makes them far more vunerable to external factors.
You have certainly hit the nail on the head about the alliances
No one will touch VS for that very reason
Whilst they might not do something right now, it does not mean to say that they will not think/look more into it when things do improve in the future, so its wrong of you to suggest that no one will touch VS, even BA have shown an interest, but only so that they can get their grubby little mitts on the slots at LHR!
cloud_9BA are celebrating their Heritage and that they aren’t a chav airlines like the many ones that are about these day
“Chav” airlines eh?
I’m afraid such phrases only reinforce the snobbery that seems to pervade the public perception of BA.
Quite agree Arthur, well said!:)
Would you care to back this up
was it not last Year ,MR B announced that VS had made a profit the year before ,Slagging off BA because it made a loss
Sure…I can and will back this up.:)
Firstly it was not last year…it was back in 2009!
Secondly, it was Steve Ridgway, the Chief Executive of Virgin Atlantic, who announced it, not “MR B”, whoever that may be; I assume you meant to say Mr Branson but couldn’t bring yourself to type his full surname!
And yes, Virgin did make an annual pre-tax profit of £68.4m, compared to the annual pre-tax loss of £401m that British Airways announced just a week before Virgin announced their results!
Now, given the fact that VS did in fact manage to double what they made the year before (£34.8m in 2008), and bearing in mind that this was at the height of the recession, I am really struggling now how you can justify that BA is a better business?
BUt wasn’t seen or heard off when Singapore Clearly stated that Virgin had made a large Loss, I had forgotten giving all their staff a free flight ,but paying off 400 members the next week Great Profit they made
So what your suggesting is that it is/was wrong of Virgin to reward their staff for their efforts when they make a profit?
Whilst giving all their staff a free flight might well have reduced that overall profit, it certainly would not have led them to making a “large loss”, and again, it shows that Virgin is a better business because they were actually able to offer their staff a reward, unlike BA who couldn’t afford to give their staff a reward because they had made such a huge loss, instead they then chose to bully their staff into changing their working terms and conditions, which then led to the strikes last year and earlier this year!
A Better Business if it is so why aren’t the airlines clambering to Have VS in their alliances so that they can share their great Business strategy of Lying to make themselves look good
The answer to this is more than likely to be because of the uncertainty of the economic climate…?
All the airlines that may have expressed an interest in Virgin have to focus on making sure that they can stay afloat themselves in order to stay in business before buying into another carrier.
If they chose to do it right now, and then the economy falters even further, or worst still back into recession, then the airline would end up making huge losses which could and would adversely affect both of them as businesses as a whole.
It doesn’t take a degree in economics to work that one out, its just common sense?!
I wonder what airline this is based on. 🙂
Arthur, I think you’re being too kind…perhaps the one below sums them up a bit better!:D
cloud_9Cloud9
Obviously you never watched that advert then,
Here its is for you set in 1984 not harking back to the Past ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL1uud6Fy6M
Indeed, I have seen this advert countless number of times on TV, and I personally think that it is/was one of the best adverts around. And yes, whilst it does hark back to the past, it does so for a very good reason…to help celebrate an important milestone (25 years!). And the slogan “Still red hot” was genius…it makes people like me think something on the lines of “I wonder if they’ll still be red hot in another 25 years time?”, and for me that is a rather exciting prospect to look forward to.
BA is/are not using this latest campaign to help them celebrate an important milestone, and as I have said before, their advert does not provide me with half as much enthusiasm or an exciting prospect to look forward to!
What airline CEO had to dress up and make a complete **** of them self to advertise an Launch of a new route I would Call that desperate for the attention not Initiative
Of course its “initiative” because it helps to get attention, and gets people interested in flying on that particular route. So what if SRB dresses up and makes a bit of a scene, it certainly attracts more attention than what BA could ever attract for a route launch!
Virgin Atlantic, an airline that cant join any alliance because every other alliance doesn’t what them.
Care to back that up with some evidence…?
Last I heard, there has been expressions of interest from Delta (SkyTeam), or if anything comes about of the possible accquisition of bmi from Lufthansa (Star Alliance), or they might just end up forming a brand new alliance altogether, which may include the likes of a carrier such as Etihad Airways, so I think the chances of them joining an alliance is almost gaurenteed!
Virgin Having to use BA to route passenger and Crew to London (that really makes Me Laugh)
Clearly I must be suffering from a sense of humour failure because I am struggling to see what’s so funny about it, but anywho…?
This will have been done for a good reason, and it will be a decision that is not taken lightly. Naturally, it is in every airline’s best interests to protect its revenue, but on the occasions when it is absolutely essential to do so (i.e. delay, cancellation?) they will choose to do this as they know that it would ultimately cost them much more if they chose not to.
Indeed BA does exactly the same…they’ve often used Continental on a number of occasions to help get their passengers to Houston and Newark when they have cancelled a flight, and like-wise Continental uses other major airlines when faced with the same circumstances, although this will soon become less of an issue due to the merger with United.
Just a small Airline with aspirations to be BIG always following in the Shadow OF British Airways
Oh please…that is a totally ridiculous statement to make. Virgin is in no way following in the shadows of British Airways. Ok, so Virgin might well be smaller than BA, and have fewer planes, and indeed serve fewer destinations, but that in no way makes BA a better business!
cloud_9That’s what happens when you let folk CGI things they know nothing about.
You need to learn the definition of Gimmick.
While your at it, find out what a Curmudgeon is, as your attitude toward anything BA related reminds me of one.
Well according to the definition I have found, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something “stand out” from its contemporaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimmick
Now, using an aircraft of one of your bitter rivals is certianly a unique a quirky special feature and forgetting to alter the registration certainly makes it “stand out”; the only issues is that it stands out for all the wrong reasons!
As for a curmudgeon…a crusty, ill-tempered, and usually old man; of course this is your opinion, but I can assure you I am definately not two of the three things it suggests. I might be a bit crusty on the outside, but inside I am all soft and gooey…!?:D
…something that most of it so called rivals cant show and makes a certain rivals (If you can call them that) last advert look extremely Tacky.
kevinwm, I assume you meant Virgin Atlantic (why not just name them in your post…?:confused:).
I am sure that Virgin Atlantic are extremely proud of their heritage, but unlike BA, the people behind Virgin (namely Sir Richard Branson) are innovators and always seek to do something bigger and/or better and look towards the future rather than lanquishing in the past. When he was in charge, you wouldn’t of seen Willie Walsh stepping out onto the wings of a BA plane, accompanied by cabin crew members waving Union Jack flags in order to launch a new destination, would you…?
cloud_9That’s what happens when you let folk CGI things they know nothing about.
You need to learn the definition of Gimmick.
While your at it, find out what a Curmudgeon is, as your attitude toward anything BA related reminds me of one.
Well according to the definition I have found, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something “stand out” from its contemporaries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimmick
Now, using an aircraft of one of your bitter rivals is certianly a unique a quirky special feature and forgetting to alter the registration certainly makes it “stand out”; the only issues is that it stands out for all the wrong reasons!
As for a curmudgeon…a crusty, ill-tempered, and usually old man; of course this is your opinion, but I can assure you I am definately not two of the three things it suggests. I might be a bit crusty on the outside, but inside I am all soft and gooey…!?:D
cloud_9So it’s not just a gimmick.
It only gets worse…
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?a=m4:23443836
So would using a Virgin Atlantic aircraft, and forgetting to edit the registration off the back until an eagle-eyed employee notices the day before the release of their £20m advertising scheme be considered a gimmick, or just “plane” stupid?!
cloud_9Looks like EasyJet have responded to BA’s latest advertising campaign, with this…:D
cloud_9I actually agree with Arthur on this…the advert has totally failed in my opinion.
And to answer Bmused55’s point about missing the point and that “To Serve” is the big clue for you…well yes, granted it is a fairly big clue, but its just words, and as we all know, actions speak louder than words.
This advert does not show me anything “new” or exciting about them from a “service” angle at all, and it doesn’t communicate and/or inform any potential first-time customers on what they are missing out on by travelling with a competitor, and I also think that it doesn’t do a particularily good job at reaching out to the many people who have previously travelled, or who indeed might be regular travellers, with the airline to encourage them to want to continue travelling with BA in the future.
The basic and overiding message I get from this latest advert is to simply assume that as long as there is a couple of pilots up on the flight deck, all is well…
Now, comparing it to an American Airlines advert (such as the ones with Kevin Spacey in them; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BJ-o__Osjo), or indeed Virgin Atlantic’s advert from last year (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9qdBVaBtj0&feature=fvsr), you can see a clear difference between them…BA are very much stuck in the past, focusing too much on their heritage, whereas airlines such as American and Virgin focus on what they currently do well at, and gives you an impression that things can only get better in the future. And the fact that the adverts are just far more modern and appealing to a younger audience or have a recognisable face in them, I am more inclined to want to choose to travel with them than I would be with BA.
cloud_9Future routes will be developed from Brighton to Jersey, Brussels Charleroi and Amsterdam.
Its always refreshing to hear about a new airline start-up and I wish them the best of luck!
That said, I am not so sure that the future routes will work out due to the competition at LGW from BE on the JER route and also BA/EZY on the AMS route.
How many Let-410s are operated by small regional airlines in Europe anyway?
I know its not strictly an airline so to speak, but Manx2.com operate x3 Let 410’s…
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