…and the Tim Manna example is going through the final stages of it’s restoration to flying condition somewhere in the midlands, possibly to fly next year if all goes well.
Tom 😉
Hi Paul, the reason that I included the ones without ‘pilot POW’ in the text was that even for some which the pilot was known to have been captured there was no text in the a/c’s history in ‘the history’ as it’s all quite vague sometimes, I assume that the Air Britain info you have is a bit more substantial. I did rule out the examples where the pilot was said to have bailed out either over water or land BTW but I imagine that there’s still a few in my list which haven’t got the full story included.
Tom 😉
Well spotted mate, Tom Blair is the new owner, bought the a/c last year and it looks good up where it belongs again, never used as much bubble wrap in me life when I packed all the bits up from this old girl ready to go into the container.
Tom 😉
OK, I’ve had a severe case of bookworming and my conclusion is that what we are looking at is a MKVa, could well be Kayll’s spit but both 54 and 91 did lose a few in this period:
R7222 – 54 sqn, FTR ops 5-7-41
R7264 – 54 sqn, FTR ops 14-7-41
R7268 – 54 sqn, FTR ops 23-7-41
R7269 – 54 sqn, FTR ops 9-7-41
R7303 – 54 sqn, FTR ops 22-7-41
R7340 – 91 sqn, FTR ops 1-7-41
W3169 -54 sqn, FTR ops 9-7-41
just to refresh our memories:
R7259 – 54 sqn, FTR ops after combat with Bf109 25-6-41 (Kayll’s a/c which force landed near St Omer according to Paul’s research)
Hmmmmmm :confused: :confused: :confused:
Tom 😉
BTW, forgot to say that I couldn’t find any reference to a Ju 88 being fitted with a dreaded 88mm but didn’t use all my references so it could be true.
Tom 😉
Just re-read the chapter about this subject in ‘Hs 129 PANZERJAGER’ and it mentions that the pilots of the Ju 88Ps did not like them as they were too slow and not manouverable enough and much preferred the ‘129 which was a smaller target for the Russian gunners who all too often were extremely accurate. As so often happened with Luftwaffe decisions the ‘powers that be’ decided that too much armour would have to be used with a twin engined ground attack a/c so decided that the Fw 190 was the solution but the cannon armament wasn’t accurate so they developed their anti-tank rockets more. I love the Hs 129, nice shape and often overlooked especially as there has been a reputation made for it over the years as an unpopular and difficult aircraft to fly, the pilots loved them and they were perfect for the job apart from the Gnome-Rhone engines in the early part of the aircraft’s history. I WANT ONE!
Tom 😉
Off the top of me ‘ed I’m thinking of the 75mm PAK 40 conversion fitted to the Henschel Hs129, though there weren’t many operational it was a hell of a big gun fitted to quite a small a/c, they reckon the recoil was fantastic. I seem to recall the Mitchell’s big gun being 75mm but I’m not completely sure.
Tom 😉
Well sleuths, finally got my hands on ‘the history’ again and I’ll go through it with a fine-toothed comb tonight. BTW I’m sure I’ve seen that art from under the ‘pit somewhere, looks like a hand giving ‘the bird’ so to speak 😉 I’m not sure that it is P7443 as it was lost far too early, the wheat wouldn’t even be 4 inches high at that time of year. Also I’ve noticed that the windscreen armourned glass is missing, dunno if it’s been souvenired by someone :confused:
Tom 😉
You’ve got two choices Steve as there’s two which will possibly fly. Jerry Cooper’s MKII will be soonest to fly but that won’t be for a year or so yet so I hear, they’ve still got lots to do even though it looks very complete. Kermit’s MKV will be a long time and might not fly at the end of it, the airframe is being restored to flying condition but the engine is the major problem as there hasn’t been a running Sabre in decades and with only two engines I think he’s worried that one might get ruined in getting one in running condition as they are such rare beasts. Have a look at my Webshots site for some pics of the old girl:
http://community.webshots.com/user/kartmann109
The last parts will be sprayed tomorrow and then it’s the task of putting them all together and waiting for new parts to come back to us.
Tom 😉
WAHEY! the Mrs has given me the whole weekend off so I’ll be at Hendon for sure, now all I need to do is contact the feller at the RAFM about access to get some piccies of their MKII Tempest tailplane, they’ll come in VERY handy 😉
Tom 😉
It’s the sky band just foward of the tailplane which is the giveaway to the date as it was specified post-BofB I think so we’re definitely talking about a spit brought down during a sweep. The yellow roundel border isn’t much help as this was used all throughout the BofB and later. It could be a MKV, albeit an early example, and yes MKV’s were more likely to be fitted with the pointed spinner with the Rotol prop but there are examples in photos with the blunt type so it maybe that these had ‘dings’ and were fitted with this type in the field. I am sure that it’s a MKIIA though and I don’t think that we’ve exhausted the references yet, once I get my hands on my library tonight I’ll restart the research 🙂 unless a certain Mr McMillan beats me to it.
Tom 😉
And come to think of it I can recall a well known shot of some erks hand cranking a Hurri I fitted with a Watts two blader in ’39 ish so there must’ve been some sort of inertia system fitted to some of the early Merlins which were also used in the early MKI spits.
Tom 😉
Trouble is you can’t see the other side as it seem like a classic case of the pilot or radiator being hit and with the rad on the stbd wing it’s not visible. Also, Paul, was Kayll’s a/c a VA or a VBas it’s definitely an ‘A’ winged spit, not a cannon in sight and no visible damage to the areas where the cannons would be situated which rules out the possibility of them being torn out in the forced landing. It’s more than likely that the pilot dead-sticked the a/c though it is a wooden bladed Rotol so the blades would fracture rather than bend. Upon looking at it again it seems that the guns haven’t been fired so he might have been victim to a classic ‘hit-and-run’ by a ‘hun-in-the-sun’ 😉 Dunno if the pennant under the ‘pit is because it’s a high ranking pilot’s a/c, I can remember seeing a pic of another 54 machine with another pennant and the lad who was lost in it wasn’t an officer so it might be true, might not though, we’ll find out though.
Tom 😉
(I love a challenge like this 🙂
Hello Ian and Paul, did 54 change their codes at all as I was thinking along the lines of this machine having KL- codes though I could be wrong. As for the possibility of it being P7443 I’m not so sure unless the date is wrong seeing as the trees in the background have leaves on and upon taking a look outside there aren’t any on these trees here and it’s March so I’m ruling this example out ’till monday when I’m back from Norfolk and I can get my hands on The History again unless Macca beats me to it 😉
Tom 😉
After some flicking through Spitfire the History and getting to the late P77–‘s I’m none the wiser but I’ve looked at the pic a bit more and it seems to have been taken in may june looking at the state of that wheat growing in the field and knowing a little bit about said crop from my farming days arrrrrrrrrrrr.
Tom 😉