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    We could discuss Whatever Happened to the British Aircraft Industry for ever and a day. The best way to find out is to read the published literature and start with PETER KING’S ‘KNIGHTS OF THE AIR’ published by Constable in 1989. It runs to 544 pages and has a brilliant set of notes and a comprehensive bibliography. After that you could try RICHARD WORCESTER’s ‘ ROOTS OF BRITISH AIR POLICY’ published by Hodder & Stoughton in 1966- Richard Worcester was an often outspoken critic of both the industry and Governments. KEITH HAYWARD’s ‘THE BRITISH AIRCRAFT INDUSTRY’ published by Manchester University Press in 1989 is a good single volume, easily digestible history with a nice selection of key statistics to back up the analysis. Other works tend to be concerned with the issue of our overall decline as the workshop of the world and our abysmal record for making bad decisions that affected the performance of the aircraft industry as well as the quality of the products e.g. Hermes and Tudor versus the Douglas DC-6.
    Read CORRELLI BARNETT’s ‘THE LOST VICTORY’, paperback by Pan, 1996 and NICHOLAS COMFORT’s ‘SURRENDER’ Biteback Publishing, 2012 also in paperback as:’ THE SLOW DEATH OF BRITISH INDUSTRY- A SIXTY YEAR SUICIDE 1952-2012′
    It all adds up to pretty depressing reading. Today after the Warton mafia took over what is now BAe Systems we are within sight of the end of airframing in the UK and the company is as the name change suggested at the time, a defence systems manufacturer with a strong presence in the USA. Warton never did rate civil aerospace and both British Aerospace and BAe lost money even on big production runs.
    Sad, sad business. Today mostly sub-contracting and we won’t even assemble any F-35s in Lancashire.

    in reply to: Aviation Myths #1018411
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    Wartime Myth

    There was an agreement between the US and UK Governments (in 1942) that the Yanks would continue to build transport aircraft whilst us Brits would concentrate on bombers and fighters.

    in reply to: Aviation Myths #1029444
    Highwayman47
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    Wartime Myth

    There was an agreement between the US and UK Governments (in 1942) that the Yanks would continue to build transport aircraft whilst us Brits would concentrate on bombers and fighters.

    in reply to: Possible BAE/EADS merger #2306376
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    http://im.ft-static.com/content/images/af4a6cc4-0280-11e2-8cf8-00144feabdc0.img

    The numbers:

    http://otp.investis.com/clients/uk/bae-systems/rns/regulatory-story.aspx?cid=288&newsid=259523

    Anthony Dunn is right on the money here- the triumph of the Warton Mafia over common sense, I think. I don’t think they ever liked the civil programmes and only Jetsream 31 made any money and they didn’t see the potential in business jets hence its sale to Raytheon nearly 20 years ago. All very sad and the dive into the US defence market doesn’t look so good now whilst Airbus is motoring along nicely. Is this the end of airframing in the UK ?

    in reply to: 92fis @Eastbourne #484960
    Highwayman47
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    Excellent selection of photos- much enjoyed, thank you for sharing.

    in reply to: Brough to stop production #1040715
    Highwayman47
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    Well Enobarbus all this is relative and I think the UK aircraft industry has been in decline for more than 50 years- read Nicholas Comfort’s new book Surrender- How British Industry gave Up the Ghost 1952 t0 2012. UK manufacturing now accounts for only 2.9 % of world manufactured exports by value compared with 25.4% in 1952. Look back at aircraft deliveries in 1986 to see what we were doing before the Warton mafia came to dominate the BAe boardroom- 231 aircraft delivered inc. 27 125s, 25 146s, 46 Jetstream31s & 29 Tornados etc.

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    J. Boyle

    Wasn’t it a fact that early American jet fighter design was based at least on some British research and that the British provided the Americans with a jet engine (Nene ?) which went on to power several of their early designs?

    John Green

    I don’t think the Americans used any British research data in their early jet designs although the XP-80 did use an early Halford H-1 engine(DH Goblin). P&W produced 1,137 RR Nenes and 4,021 RR Tays under licence for such types as the Grumman Panther and Cougar.

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