No, Doctrine is only mentioned once. In terms of Doctrine the MoD is currently doing everything asked of it, developing a power projection force (amphibfleet/carriers/tomahawk armed SSN’s) maintaining the Nuclear deterrent (Trident renewal) and supporting operations in Afghanistan. Of course it wants more, the more you spend the more the armed forces want but currently the MoD is covering the three main bases.
Generally I agree with your point, however I think the trend here is for the RN to become a force that will only have the ability to fulfill the few points you list above.
The more mundane naval tasks (escort, un-rep, mine warfare, anti-piracy, showing the flag, etc.) will become more and more difficult to maintain and it will become less and less likely that the RN will be able to act independently as a single entity. Doing that takes away a significant piece of sovereignty.
http://www.wpxi.com/news/18818589/detail.html
Marine 1 Blueprints Found On File Sharing Network
Sensitive Information About President’s Helicopter Found In Iran
Saturday, February 28, 2009 – updated: 11:08 am EST March 2, 2009
PITTSBURGH — A Cranberry company that monitors peer-to-peer file-sharing networks discovered a potentially serious security breach involving President Barack Obama’s helicopter.
Tiversa employees found engineering and communications information about Marine One at an IP address in Tehran, Iran.
”We found a file containing entire blueprints and avionics package for Marine One, which is the president’s helicopter,” said Bob Boback, CEO of Tiversa.
The company told Target 11 that it was able to trace the file back to its original source.
“What appears to be a defense contractor in Bethesda, Md., had a file sharing program on one of their systems that also contained highly sensitive blueprints for Marine One,” Boback said.
Tiversa also found sensitive financial information about the cost of the helicopter on that same computer.
Boback said someone from the company most likely downloaded a file-sharing program, typically used to exchange music, not realizing the potential problems.
“When downloading one of these file-sharing programs, you are effectively allowing others around the world to access your hard drive,” Boback said.
“We found where this information came from,” said Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, an adviser to Tiversa. “We know exactly what computer it came from. I’m sure that person is embarrassed and may even lose their job, but we know where it came from and we know where it went.”
Boback notified the government immediately and said appropriate steps are being taken.
“They are working through a process to maintain the security of the president,” Boback said.
Iran is not the only country that appears to be accessing this type of information through file-sharing programs.
“We’ve noticed it out of Pakistan, Yemen, Qatar, and China. They are actively searching for information that is disclosed in this fashion because it is a great source of intelligence,” Boback said.
Clark said he doesn’t know how sensitive this information is, but he said other military information has been found on the Internet in the past.
He said this needs to be monitored more closely and Rep. Jason Altmire agreed. He said, “Well, I’m very troubled to hear this because there are obviously elements in Iran that are not friendly to the United States and it would be an understatement to say that this type of information could be very detrimental were it to fall into the wrong hands.”
Altmire said he will ask Congress to investigate how to prevent this from happening again.
Clark said, “Once it’s out there, it’s hard to get it back. I don’t think the full ramifications of this have been understood by the watchdog agencies.”
Target 11 investigator Rick Earle called the White House Press Office and the Pentagon and left messages for a comment on this story, so far Earle has not gotten any response.
Tiversa was founded in 2004 by Robert Boback and Sam Hopkins, both Pittsburgh natives.
Boback is a Norwin High School graduate and got his college degree from the University of Pittsburgh.
Co-founder Hopkins is a Peabody High graduate and started Nauticom and went on to work for Fiore Systems and the Marconi Company.
http://www.wpxi.com/news/18818589/detail.html
Marine 1 Blueprints Found On File Sharing Network
Sensitive Information About President’s Helicopter Found In Iran
Saturday, February 28, 2009 – updated: 11:08 am EST March 2, 2009
PITTSBURGH — A Cranberry company that monitors peer-to-peer file-sharing networks discovered a potentially serious security breach involving President Barack Obama’s helicopter.
Tiversa employees found engineering and communications information about Marine One at an IP address in Tehran, Iran.
”We found a file containing entire blueprints and avionics package for Marine One, which is the president’s helicopter,” said Bob Boback, CEO of Tiversa.
The company told Target 11 that it was able to trace the file back to its original source.
“What appears to be a defense contractor in Bethesda, Md., had a file sharing program on one of their systems that also contained highly sensitive blueprints for Marine One,” Boback said.
Tiversa also found sensitive financial information about the cost of the helicopter on that same computer.
Boback said someone from the company most likely downloaded a file-sharing program, typically used to exchange music, not realizing the potential problems.
“When downloading one of these file-sharing programs, you are effectively allowing others around the world to access your hard drive,” Boback said.
“We found where this information came from,” said Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, an adviser to Tiversa. “We know exactly what computer it came from. I’m sure that person is embarrassed and may even lose their job, but we know where it came from and we know where it went.”
Boback notified the government immediately and said appropriate steps are being taken.
“They are working through a process to maintain the security of the president,” Boback said.
Iran is not the only country that appears to be accessing this type of information through file-sharing programs.
“We’ve noticed it out of Pakistan, Yemen, Qatar, and China. They are actively searching for information that is disclosed in this fashion because it is a great source of intelligence,” Boback said.
Clark said he doesn’t know how sensitive this information is, but he said other military information has been found on the Internet in the past.
He said this needs to be monitored more closely and Rep. Jason Altmire agreed. He said, “Well, I’m very troubled to hear this because there are obviously elements in Iran that are not friendly to the United States and it would be an understatement to say that this type of information could be very detrimental were it to fall into the wrong hands.”
Altmire said he will ask Congress to investigate how to prevent this from happening again.
Clark said, “Once it’s out there, it’s hard to get it back. I don’t think the full ramifications of this have been understood by the watchdog agencies.”
Target 11 investigator Rick Earle called the White House Press Office and the Pentagon and left messages for a comment on this story, so far Earle has not gotten any response.
Tiversa was founded in 2004 by Robert Boback and Sam Hopkins, both Pittsburgh natives.
Boback is a Norwin High School graduate and got his college degree from the University of Pittsburgh.
Co-founder Hopkins is a Peabody High graduate and started Nauticom and went on to work for Fiore Systems and the Marconi Company.
And condolences to his family, friends and squadron mates.
And condolences to his family, friends and squadron mates.
Canadian Fighters intercept Russian bomber on eve of Obama visit to Canada
CF-18s turn back aircraft as it approached Canadian airspace
http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/593987

OTTAWA–Canadian fighter jets were scrambled to intercept a Russian bomber discovered on the perimeter of Canadian airspace just hours before U.S. President Barack Obama visited Ottawa last week.
Defence Minister Peter Mackay said it is difficult to say whether Russia was up to “mischief” or whether it was pure coincidence, adding the entire world would have known Canadian security efforts were centred on the capital in the days leading up to Feb. 19.
“It was a strong coincidence,” Mackay said.
MacKay is holding a news conference this morning with the chief of the defence staff and the commander of Norad to announce the news.
CF-18s took off from Cold Lake, Alta., on Feb. 16 after Norad detected the bomber headed for Canadian airspace.
The Russian planes were turned back before entering Canada’s airspace by fighter jets using “internationally recognized signals.”
Mackay said Russian planes have been encroaching on Canadian sovereignty on an “upward scale” in the past several years.
Canada has asked Moscow for advance warning when such trips are scheduled, MacKay said.
Canadian Fighters intercept Russian bomber on eve of Obama visit to Canada
CF-18s turn back aircraft as it approached Canadian airspace
http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/593987

OTTAWA–Canadian fighter jets were scrambled to intercept a Russian bomber discovered on the perimeter of Canadian airspace just hours before U.S. President Barack Obama visited Ottawa last week.
Defence Minister Peter Mackay said it is difficult to say whether Russia was up to “mischief” or whether it was pure coincidence, adding the entire world would have known Canadian security efforts were centred on the capital in the days leading up to Feb. 19.
“It was a strong coincidence,” Mackay said.
MacKay is holding a news conference this morning with the chief of the defence staff and the commander of Norad to announce the news.
CF-18s took off from Cold Lake, Alta., on Feb. 16 after Norad detected the bomber headed for Canadian airspace.
The Russian planes were turned back before entering Canada’s airspace by fighter jets using “internationally recognized signals.”
Mackay said Russian planes have been encroaching on Canadian sovereignty on an “upward scale” in the past several years.
Canada has asked Moscow for advance warning when such trips are scheduled, MacKay said.
Canadian Griffon Helicopters hunting Taleban Bombers

The Canadian Press
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — Two CH-146 Griffon helicopters lifted off into the dim, grainy dusk above Kandahar Airfield one night last week and made straight for the mountains, in a new and completely unheralded chapter in the Afghan war.
This mission and the handful of ones before it are not something the air force eagerly broadcasts in its public relations campaign, but it is perhaps one of the most important life-saving duties the new air wing carries out. Aircraft running lights were switched off once they cleared “the wire” allowing the grey and black camouflaged Griffons to blend in with the night sky.
Armed with night-vision goggles and a pod of darkness-piercing sensors, including high-definition cameras, the aircrews had set off on a deadly cat-and-mouse chase with the Taliban. Two gunners on each aircraft leaned on their weapons through open doorways and looked down impassively as the lights of Kandahar city unfolded below them like irregular multi-coloured jewels cast on black velvet blanket. The helicopters rose swiftly, brushed past the soaring volcanic peaks and then burst out over the desert, dropping to 152 metres, where the total blackness of the countryside enveloped them.
Although officially relegated to escort new CH-47D Chinook transport helicopters, the Griffons belonging to 408 Squadron were quietly given a new, more dangerous role soon after they deployed in December. Their orders were to hunt insurgents who lace the roadways with home-made bombs, missions that depend on the murky world of classified intelligence. Roadside bombs,have over the last three years exacted the single most deadly toll on Canadian soldiers, accounting for half of the 108 deaths. That the Griffon could be useful in reducing the carnage has long been recognized in air force circles.
“Two kilometres to the road,” Capt. Ben Massicotte, the commander of the second Griffon, declared over the intercom. “Keep your eyes open.” A tense silence followed. The location of the road on this mission was classified, but was clearly one that NATO troops often used. Twin cone-shaped lights of a pickup truck punctured the darkness and Capt. Greg Cowan, the flying officer, swung the chopper around to creep up behind the slow moving vehicle.
Massicotte quickly determined it was “only carrying junk” and not an explosive. Ideally they hoped to catch the bombers in the act of digging into the hard-baked soil of dirt roads that spiderweb the desert — or find them tunnelling under the few paved highways. Occasionally, only U.S. surveillance drones have been that lucky, dispatching the night-time bomb-planters with a well-placed Hellfire missile, but there have never been enough of them in southern Afghanistan going around. But even without actually spotting insurgents, the sensors and electronics carried by the CH-146s were powerful enough to detect changes in the landscape.
That the Griffons, a utility helicopter modified for combat and surveillance, were here at all is something of minor miracle. Their deployment had been stubbornly opposed by National Defence since it was first proposed in December 2005, according to documents obtained by The Canadian Press under access to information laws. The stated reason was that the helicopters, based on Bell 412 civilian model, didn’t have engines powerful enough to handle the Afghan heat and high altitude flying — a claim held to even though other allies in Kandahar flew similar light helicopters.
Remarkable there was resistance in Ottawa even though the Americans had demonstrated in 2007 success in Iraq with the U.S. army’s once super-secret Task Force ODIN, which hunted roadside bombs in a similar way. The federal government quietly spent $25 million with L-3 WESCAM last summer to provide the Griffons with the latest in sensory image technology, but insisted the helicopters weren’t headed overseas. Even when Ottawa announced it was buying the Chinooks, the initial plan called for the Griffons to be left home and gunships from other NATO countries to take up the escort duties. That changed last fall, when the allies told Canada there were not enough AH-64 Apaches in Kandahar to go around. The Griffons, it seemed, arrived by fluke.
“OK, this is it,” Massicotte told the crew. “I want to look over by that compound over there.” The helicopter banked sharply. On the right side, a dizzying splash of stars whipped past the open door, while on the left the grey desert floor turned counter clock-wise beneath them. “Those are our LAVs over there,” Cowan said, referring to a Canadian position. “A little further,” Massicotte urged. “There.” They had found something.
For the next while the Griffon tracked back and forth while the lead helicopter also examined the find. On this night, two roadside bombs were confirmed by the patrol. Missions such as this mean “a bit more than other missions” to Massicotte, 41, who has flown three different types of helicopters in over 20 years in the military.
“It seems everytime that there are casualties in theatre, we hear a lot they come from IEDs on the road, so if every time we go out we can catch a few of those ahead of time, it makes you feel good; definitely,” said Massicotte, a native of Latuque, north of Trois Riviere, Que. Capt. Brennan Cassidy, the mission commander that night, said mostly they don’t know whether they’ve actually found something, but when they do it’s rewarding. Statistics on the Griffons success rate are classified.
But he said the fact that the helicopters are up there searching at night is no secret from the Taliban, who hear the choppers the coming. “I’m quite certain they are aware of presence,” Cassidy, a native of Kemptville, Ont., said after the flight. “The nice thing, sometimes we may not have even specifically found something, but just our presence has prevented an IED from being implaced.”
Canadian Griffon Helicopters hunting Taleban Bombers

The Canadian Press
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan — Two CH-146 Griffon helicopters lifted off into the dim, grainy dusk above Kandahar Airfield one night last week and made straight for the mountains, in a new and completely unheralded chapter in the Afghan war.
This mission and the handful of ones before it are not something the air force eagerly broadcasts in its public relations campaign, but it is perhaps one of the most important life-saving duties the new air wing carries out. Aircraft running lights were switched off once they cleared “the wire” allowing the grey and black camouflaged Griffons to blend in with the night sky.
Armed with night-vision goggles and a pod of darkness-piercing sensors, including high-definition cameras, the aircrews had set off on a deadly cat-and-mouse chase with the Taliban. Two gunners on each aircraft leaned on their weapons through open doorways and looked down impassively as the lights of Kandahar city unfolded below them like irregular multi-coloured jewels cast on black velvet blanket. The helicopters rose swiftly, brushed past the soaring volcanic peaks and then burst out over the desert, dropping to 152 metres, where the total blackness of the countryside enveloped them.
Although officially relegated to escort new CH-47D Chinook transport helicopters, the Griffons belonging to 408 Squadron were quietly given a new, more dangerous role soon after they deployed in December. Their orders were to hunt insurgents who lace the roadways with home-made bombs, missions that depend on the murky world of classified intelligence. Roadside bombs,have over the last three years exacted the single most deadly toll on Canadian soldiers, accounting for half of the 108 deaths. That the Griffon could be useful in reducing the carnage has long been recognized in air force circles.
“Two kilometres to the road,” Capt. Ben Massicotte, the commander of the second Griffon, declared over the intercom. “Keep your eyes open.” A tense silence followed. The location of the road on this mission was classified, but was clearly one that NATO troops often used. Twin cone-shaped lights of a pickup truck punctured the darkness and Capt. Greg Cowan, the flying officer, swung the chopper around to creep up behind the slow moving vehicle.
Massicotte quickly determined it was “only carrying junk” and not an explosive. Ideally they hoped to catch the bombers in the act of digging into the hard-baked soil of dirt roads that spiderweb the desert — or find them tunnelling under the few paved highways. Occasionally, only U.S. surveillance drones have been that lucky, dispatching the night-time bomb-planters with a well-placed Hellfire missile, but there have never been enough of them in southern Afghanistan going around. But even without actually spotting insurgents, the sensors and electronics carried by the CH-146s were powerful enough to detect changes in the landscape.
That the Griffons, a utility helicopter modified for combat and surveillance, were here at all is something of minor miracle. Their deployment had been stubbornly opposed by National Defence since it was first proposed in December 2005, according to documents obtained by The Canadian Press under access to information laws. The stated reason was that the helicopters, based on Bell 412 civilian model, didn’t have engines powerful enough to handle the Afghan heat and high altitude flying — a claim held to even though other allies in Kandahar flew similar light helicopters.
Remarkable there was resistance in Ottawa even though the Americans had demonstrated in 2007 success in Iraq with the U.S. army’s once super-secret Task Force ODIN, which hunted roadside bombs in a similar way. The federal government quietly spent $25 million with L-3 WESCAM last summer to provide the Griffons with the latest in sensory image technology, but insisted the helicopters weren’t headed overseas. Even when Ottawa announced it was buying the Chinooks, the initial plan called for the Griffons to be left home and gunships from other NATO countries to take up the escort duties. That changed last fall, when the allies told Canada there were not enough AH-64 Apaches in Kandahar to go around. The Griffons, it seemed, arrived by fluke.
“OK, this is it,” Massicotte told the crew. “I want to look over by that compound over there.” The helicopter banked sharply. On the right side, a dizzying splash of stars whipped past the open door, while on the left the grey desert floor turned counter clock-wise beneath them. “Those are our LAVs over there,” Cowan said, referring to a Canadian position. “A little further,” Massicotte urged. “There.” They had found something.
For the next while the Griffon tracked back and forth while the lead helicopter also examined the find. On this night, two roadside bombs were confirmed by the patrol. Missions such as this mean “a bit more than other missions” to Massicotte, 41, who has flown three different types of helicopters in over 20 years in the military.
“It seems everytime that there are casualties in theatre, we hear a lot they come from IEDs on the road, so if every time we go out we can catch a few of those ahead of time, it makes you feel good; definitely,” said Massicotte, a native of Latuque, north of Trois Riviere, Que. Capt. Brennan Cassidy, the mission commander that night, said mostly they don’t know whether they’ve actually found something, but when they do it’s rewarding. Statistics on the Griffons success rate are classified.
But he said the fact that the helicopters are up there searching at night is no secret from the Taliban, who hear the choppers the coming. “I’m quite certain they are aware of presence,” Cassidy, a native of Kemptville, Ont., said after the flight. “The nice thing, sometimes we may not have even specifically found something, but just our presence has prevented an IED from being implaced.”
Condolences and sympathy for their families and friends. My prayers are with all of you today.
I am not sure if it is arrogance or over-confidence, but I think it is a huge mistake to not scare up at least one Rafale to appear at Aero-India.
The Indian MRCA project is about the best chance Rafale still has to obtain a significantly large overseas order to impact it’s long term export prospects. With due respect to Kuwait and Oman, or for that matter Libya, the Indian deal would be the one way for Rafale to cement itself in the world marketplace as a contender to be considered.
If Rafale wins this contract it would be seen by many other potential customers as beating the Super Hornet, MiG-35, Typhoon, F-16IN and Gripen in a head to head competition. With this in mind I think it is hubris and over-confidence run amok. Dassault have done themselves no favours.
CU-170 Heron unmanned aerial vehicle ready to go to work in Afghanistan
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/site/newsroom/news_e.asp?cat=114&id=7770

Christopher Coates, commander of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan Air Wing, uses a CH-170 Heron UAV as a backdrop for his announcement to embedded Canadian journalists that the Wing’s Heron detachment has reached initial operating capability. Credit: Capt Dean Menard.
On January 21, 2009, Colonel Christopher Coates, commander of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan (JTF-Afg) Air Wing, announced that the Wing’s CU-170 Heron unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) have achieved “initial operational capability” and are ready to go to work. Brigadier-General Denis Thompson, the commander of Joint Task Force Afghanistan, will assign the Herons’ tasks and set their priorities.
“I am proud to announce today that the CU-170 Heron unmanned aerial vehicle has reached initial operational capability. By achieving initial operational capability, we are able to provide the Commander of Task Force Kandahar with an operational-level day or night video capability that will enhance our operational picture,” said Colonel Coates. “The information gathered by the Heron is in high demand, and will help reduce the number of insurgent attacks by scouting out convoy routes and surrounding areas, scanning for insurgents, and observing suspicious activities such as the planting of improvised explosive devices.”
The Heron is a long-range UAV that can carry a wide variety of sensors and information systems to gather data for intelligence analysis, and provide surveillance and target acquisition over a large area in support of International Security Assistance Force operations in Kandahar Province.
“The Heron UAV is an integral part of the modern battlefield. It provides life-saving surveillance and intelligence gathering capabilities that can be used in a variety of operations. This is another significant step toward building the air capability here in southern Afghanistan. It will help save lives by reducing the threats to soldiers on the ground,” said Colonel Coates.
The Heron detachment supporting Task Force Kandahar will operate under the call sign “Birchall” in honour of the late Air Commodore Leonard Joseph Birchall of the Royal Canadian Air Force. On April 4,1942, the then-Squadron Leader Birchall earned the Distinguished Flying Cross and the soubriquet “Saviour of Ceylon” for warning the garrison there of the approach of a massive Japanese invasion fleet.
Well, I don’t think Obama is going to cut production on the F-22 soon. As of right now he can’t even afford to loss a single high paying defense job. Yet, the F-22 can’t last much longer. My guess in the best case the US will purchase at least 60 more Raptors. The worst case they will order 16 more of the 20 planned to be ordered this year. Regardless, if Japan really wants the Raptor and is willing to pay the high price. I just don’t see the Congress or the New US President turning them down. As it would keep ~55,000 highly paid Americans working for a few more years. Its also a plus for the US Air force as it will lower the price of the F-22 and keep production going for years. Which, at least keeps the door open for more Raptors further down the road……..
I agree fully with the economic analysis here. However I think if this does happen it will be with considerable strings attached. I think the US will either significantly downgrade the Raptor’s performance in some areas (radar cross section, radar capability, etc.) and perhaps require American maintenance staff to be hired. I can’t see the US ever allowing Japan to produce the Raptor locally.
I think both of you have some excellent points here. The Zumwalts simply do not make economic sense today however there definitely needs to be some consideration as to what can replace the Ticonderoga’s.
Could a stretched Burke to the job?
Sounds like you need to relax.:D:rolleyes:
This thread is for general news. Take your infantile sniping elsewhere…perhaps to PM’s.