:D:D….can’t quite make out the identity of the pilot….:eek:

(Grp) Capt Scarlet 😉

Rick.

So far in 2012, 123 US Police Officers have died in the course of duty. Of those one died as a result of an assault, eleven died after being deliberately struck by a vehicle, five died of stab wounds and forty seven died of gunshot wounds inflicted on them by someone else. It seems like those people died doing their jobs. Are their lives as worthless and easily dismissed as ‘those mission statements’?

Regards,

kev35

That has nothing to do with their mission statements & what the SCOTUS actually said. The bottom line is that legally they are under no obligation to do a damn thing to protect anyone… which is why we have various LEO’s tell people “I suggest you get a gun & learn how to use it”

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away. More kids are killed in the US by child abuse than gunfire, I don’t see anyone harping on about child abuse.
The mass killing get the press the same way airliner crashes do. Still the safest way to travel though… child abuse continues & not a damn thing is done about it.

As for Rick stating what if his gun has been sent away for repair, I cant see his problem, as by his own admission, he has left his premises open, and nothing has been stolen…
Jim.
Lincoln .7

That was before my neighbours son was released from the pokey, this is now:
http://www.theavtimes.com/2012/12/19/drug-house-raided-across-from-elementary-school/

I moved 6 months ago.

ok nuuumannn, what is your suggestion for our 23,001st gun law that will make all the difference?

The Mission Statement of the LAPD as taken from their own website…..

The Mission Statement of the NYPD…..

Mission Statement of the Oregon PD…..

Maybe no obligation, but there’s three agencies (the only three I looked at) whose mission statements include the words and/or phrases safeguard, protect and preserve peace.

Regards,

kev35

& those mission statements are absolutely worthless. They can say what they want but when push comes to shove & someone asks “where the hell were you?” They say “well actually.. we’re under no obligation to protect anyone”. They trot out that excuse every time someone has the audacity to ask WTF they were doing when someone became a victim of crime. It’s been used thousands of times in the law courts.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-police-have-no-obligation-to-protect-you-yes-really/

& here’s the legal wording:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/04-278

And you will be right in pointing out that no law enforcement officers prevented the killings in Newtown, just as I will point out that no upstanding, gun owning citizen stepped in either.
Regards,
kev35

That’s because schools are “gun free zones” & upstanding, gun owning citizens don’t break the law. That would be *illegal* 😉

Rick.

I think you have shown in your last post exactly why this cycle of killings will continue. It’s like a self fulfilling prophecy. American citizens legally own firearms because….

a) It is a Right (Second Amendment.)

b) You are afraid of crimes being committed against your person or property.

Regards,

kev35

It’s a lot simpler than that:
This cycle of killing will continue because you can’t legislate insanity.

One other small detail:
The SCOTUS (at least I think that’s who said it) has said that the police agencies are under no obligation to protect the populace… which is a bit inconvenient.

Here in the UK that is probably not our greatest fear when we think of crime. We probably worry more about being burgled while we are out, or having our car stolen or maybe being attacked in the street.

I don’t worry about that at all. Owned my own home for 16 years, never did get around to fixing the broken or missing latches on the windows. Went out one day & accidently left the garage door wide open (facing the street), came home about 5 hours later & nothing was missing from the garage, there were close to $50,000 in tools sitting just where I’d left them.
I also don’t have to worry about my motorcycle being stolen (25% of all theft in the UK) & it’s not at all unusual to see them parked up with the key in the ignition.

Other firearms can be owned and used but have to be secured at a registered and licensed facility (perhaps a gun club? You work out the details). Firearms such as hunting rifles etc., can only be removed from the premises during hunting season and all hunting should be licensed.

*Hunting season* for Coyotes is year round…..
& we already license hunters… & it’s not just one license, it’s different depending on if you are hunting wild pigs or fish… or deer.. or ducks.. or turkey.. or.. well, you get the idea.

What happens if the nearest *gun club* is 70 miles away & there are Coyotes attacking your chickens/goats etc.. or a bear is eating one of your horses/cows/neighbours?

As for the one gun at home idea.. what happens if you send it off for repair? or have it in pieces all over the coffee table for cleaning?

& what is a “small quantity of ammo”? 10 rounds? 100? What if 4 people do a home invasion & you use up 8 of your 10 rounds on the first guy, 2 on the second & then the 3rd bloke comes through the door?

Incidently, if someone comes through my door they’re getting the business end of the Mossberg 590 first, not the pistol… & the mossberg is loaded with a mix of 1oz deer slugs, #00 buckshot # #7 birdshot. At least the coroner won’t be bored during the autopsy 🙂

Rick, So, in my mind, am I right in your opinion, that the ownership, and obtaining weapons should be fine tuned, I mean, 23.000 different Laws to be observed is rather unrealistic for anyone to remember, is it a Law, that one has to know many, if not all these Laws?, Is there a “Shooters guide to the Law” that is issued for the particular State one lives in, or just the so many of the main Law as stated by Congress, if by Congress, how many of the Laws do you HAVE to abide by, in whichever State you live in?.
If you are travelling from one State to another, say, on Vacation, do you check which Laws are different to the State you are leaving to the one you are travelling to?.
I find it hard to comprehend so many Laws regulating the ownership of weapons.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I’ve found the least knowledgeable about the gun laws are those entrusted with enforcing them. The number of people arrested for breaking some gun law which is then thrown out of court is ridiculous. It’s not even the more obscure of the laws they fall foul of.
Living in Califailure I don’t have to worry too much about breaking gun laws when I travel to other States as the ones we have here are some of the most stupid laws on the planet.
When I had an FFL I was sent a copy of relevant ATF rules & regs etc, it’s the size of a phone book.

Had to drop by an office last week & they had a metal detector at the door. I walked right through it without setting it off while I had a stainless steel pocket knife on me. My S&W is stainless & plastic so they wouldn’t have set it off either.