Hmm, you speak of dogma but paste doctrine, bizarre.
Does that prove you are dyslexic?
Here, let me post the rest of YOUR post where you laid out the definition YOU most often use…
“Dog”ma (?), n.; pl. E. Dogmas (#), L. Dogmata (#). [L. dogma, Gr. , pl. , fr. to think, seem, appear; akin to L. decet it is becoming. Cf. Decent.]
1. That which is held as an opinion; a tenet; a doctrine. “
In public schools students are usually taught evolution, that God did not create man.
Mentioning creation is forbidden, there is genuine proof of neither.
Now what were you saying?
Mentioning creationism is NOT forbidden in school. It’s talked about in comparative religion. What is NOT allowed is for it to be taught in a science class.
Here’s a simple question for ya in two parts:
Have you ever had a flu shot? Have you ever had more than one flu shot?
btw, you also ignored the part about atheism not being taught & not dogma. Don’t be afraid of critical thinking, it doesn’t hurt.
As my post was responding to RpR, yours doesn’t make much sense.
I thought you weren’t reading my posts? 😉 But I’m sorry you fail to comprehend when someone is agreeing with you on something….
In any case as I posted several days ago I have always respected your or any other believers beliefs. It is up to you to decide and I have never, here or anywhere else tried to impose my atheism on anyone else.
We are free to choose. All we are doing here is debating semantics.
I don’t discuss it until someone starts discussing religion… That’s why my posts about aircraft don’t contain any reference to it 🙂
Oh wait, you aren’t reading my posts, n/m 😉
DOCTRINE, n. [L., to teach.]
1. In a general sense, whatever is taught. Hence, a principle or position in any science; whatever is laid down as true by an instructor or master. The doctrines of the gospel are the principles or truths taught by Christ and his apostles. The doctrines of Plato are the principles which he taught. Hence a doctrine may be true or false; it may be a mere tenet or opinion.
You just proved my point about you not understanding what dogma means. Atheism isn’t taught, it’s the default position. Everyone is a born atheist until adults start lying to them.
It seems to depend on your dictionary:-
DOGMA n “a settled opinion; a principle or doctrine; a doctrine laid down with (note – not by) authority”
Rather seems to cover both sides of the argument, to me, anyway.
A complete lack of evidence can hardly be described as “dogma”. People aren’t acquitted during trials because of dogma. At least where I live.
You are rationalizing, which has been/is the root of your rhetoric.
So next time you do that keep in mind that, as you float your atheist dogma about religion, that is not a good thing.Dogma
a belief or set of beliefs held by a group which others are expected to accept without argument
Did you not understand this part?
“So next time you feel the need to call an atheist dogmatic, do try to keep in mind that all you’re actually doing is labeling yourself as someone with a “personal unsubstantiated belief” that certain words in the English language should mean different things when you really want them to.”?
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Yet again, you are wrong. Empathy played no part. It was religion that was required. It was required because I wasn’t born with an understanding and an appreciation of the three values mentioned. Because of the unique circumstances into which I and millions of others was born – the pre-occupations of WW2 – our parents and our teachers had no time and maybe less inclination to instill moral values and concepts.
Like I said: religion isn’t a requirement. That was just the method used for you. A shoe salesman could teach the same stuff without resorting to a contradictory book written 2000 years ago. My parents grew up during WWII, mum’s side was bombed out twice in London. Her dad was a catholic but at no point during either parents life was religion responsible for the person they turned out to be.
Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
As a source of morality the bible is second only to the koran as the worse possible book used to teach anything even remotely moral. The book is chock full of murder, child abuse, incest, rape, genocide, threats of eternal damnation etc. If it was subject to the same standards as other literature, it would be illegal for children to be allowed anywhere near it. Like this:

Feel free to point out any parts of the warning that aren’t factual….
I wonder if those responsible for this little ‘incident’ had a religious upbringing?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15335899
What happened to their consciences, awareness of others needs and ability to distinguish between right and wrong?
According to the bible it wouldn’t make any difference at all. Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you”
Therefore before god formed Hitler, Stalin, Gacy, Speck, Manson, Bundy, Capone, Dahmer, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden & Jack the Ripper etc… god knew them & what they would do.
That’s a bit awkward..
Although I now regard myself as a religious agnostic, I was educated at faith schools and brought up in a religious household. I believe that this background gave me three values; a conscience and an awareness of others needs before my own and a clear sense of the distinction between right and wrong.
That is what my religious upbringing did for me.
That’s what having empathy did for you, religion wasn’t required.
Your flaw is that God made sure what ever was written down, despite man’s attempts to totally screw with it, carry the abstract of truth God wants.
You simply cannot understand the concept of true faith, unless you have faith in mankind to not screw things up worse than they already are.
Now that is a concept believed by uneducated people.
A religious person claims to have knowledge of supernatural entities who we aren’t just supposed to believe exist, but we’re ALSO meant to believe they want things from us. A religious man or woman claims that a god, or gods, need us to worship them, to acknowledge them, to have us lay down and prostate ourselves to their supposedly omnipotent selves. Or worst, that WE need the gods, and that without them, our lives are somehow meaningless.
A religious person believes that after we die we go somewhere. Where that “somewhere” is varies from religion to religion, but a common theme is that if you’re a good person you’ll go somewhere (or become something) good, and if you’re a bad person you’ll go some place (or become something) bad.
The religious believe this because a book – in rarer cases a singular holy man or woman – has assured them that it’s true because “It just is, shut up”, and usually placed a huge penalty on doubting these unfounded “truth claims” that may or may not include an eternity in aforementioned “bad place,” and/or horrible things happening to you and/or people you care about now, or in the future.
All of these beliefs, plus some, come together to form a dogma. The definition of dogma: A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
Now, what do atheists believe?
Atheists believe those dogmas are fictional, and we require evidence to the contrary before we’re willing to make ourselves slaves to an entity that – by all rational measures – has never been proven to even exist.
That’s it. That’s all atheists have in common; We reject your theology.
We reject your dogma. We don’t have a new dogma of our own that all atheists must follow… We just think yours is fictional, and would appreciate it greatly if you stopped trying to force it on others with your words and actions unless and until you can prove it, which no one has ever done, ever.
There are conservative atheists and liberal atheists. Capitalist atheists, communist atheists, happy atheists, sad atheists. Generous atheists and selfish atheists, kind atheists and mean atheists.
It’s not “dogmatic” to reject ideas that present no rational basis for believing in them. It just isn’t. That’s not what “dogma” means.
So next time you feel the need to call an atheist dogmatic, do try to keep in mind that all you’re actually doing is labeling yourself as someone with a “personal unsubstantiated belief” that certain words in the English language should mean different things when you really want them to.
You are sounding sillier, and more hysterical, as the thread moves to its inevitable demise; if lions and the threat of crucifixion didn’t deflect early Christians from their faith, then your patently absurd reasoning (if that’s the right word) has no chance, whatsoever. Nearly 70 years ago, my mother advised me never to get into an argument about religion or politics, and your shrieking rants show that (as so often) “Mother was right.” And, no, I’m not going to tell you what my beliefs/disbeliefs might be, because it’s none of your business.
The great thing about the web etc is that it’s difficult to catch the mood of the poster & the context of posts. I’ll help dispel that confusion: I’m sat here laughing my ass off at the content of this thread. Merely throwing out any comment gets a result. I’ve posted directly contradictory statements & not one person reading them has caught them. 🙂
Christianity is the only religion based solely on faith. NOTHING else is necessary to except faith that what Jesus did and said is true.
There’s a major flaw with statement. Jesus didn’t author one word of the bible. The entire book is hearsay. What you think is faith in god etc is really faith that a bunch of uneducated desert dwelling people knew what they were talking about. It’s obvious to anyone who was taught how to think instead of what to think that none of the claims in the book hold up in any way at all.
Isn’t it a fact that nobody can tell for certain how the world began ?
No it isn’t, we know for certain how the world began. Planetary formation is well understood.
The religious have their idea, it suits them and they’ll stick to it.
Indoctrinated ignorance.
Why does it matter ?
For the same reason we no longer burn witches. Willfully ignorant is no way to go through life & is harmful to the continuing existence of the our species.
If God acts for you, it may be a case of one asking a doctor how it happened and the doctor saying, “I do not know, it goes against known biological science.””
So your answer to ‘I don’t know” is “It’s magic”? I have to ask: Have you ever been assessed for psychiatric treatment or medications?
As I said, God allows as God decides proper, God ignores as God decides proper and God actually reaches out and touches some one/thing as God decides is proper.
So you are quite happy that this psychopathic monster that you follow stands idly by while children are raped? That makes you nothing less than a sociopath.
I asked earlier what other religious books you had read: koran? book of mormon? others? There are about 2 million muslims out there who claim you will burn in hell for following the wrong psychopath.
Are you familiar with pascals wager?
Goblins??? Grow up.
You can —- go out hunt them down and kill them before they strike again.
You’re having comprehension problems again. I said “If I could, I would”.. whereas this psychopathic monster you believe exists just stands idly by & lets children be raped. I couldn’t stand idly by. I assume you’d just stand there like an idiot watching “gods will” happen before your eyes.