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  • in reply to: General Discussion #287059
    ZRX61
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    Your flaw is that God made sure what ever was written down, despite man’s attempts to totally screw with it, carry the abstract of truth God wants.

    You simply cannot understand the concept of true faith, unless you have faith in mankind to not screw things up worse than they already are.

    Now that is a concept believed by uneducated people.

    A religious person claims to have knowledge of supernatural entities who we aren’t just supposed to believe exist, but we’re ALSO meant to believe they want things from us. A religious man or woman claims that a god, or gods, need us to worship them, to acknowledge them, to have us lay down and prostate ourselves to their supposedly omnipotent selves. Or worst, that WE need the gods, and that without them, our lives are somehow meaningless.

    A religious person believes that after we die we go somewhere. Where that “somewhere” is varies from religion to religion, but a common theme is that if you’re a good person you’ll go somewhere (or become something) good, and if you’re a bad person you’ll go some place (or become something) bad.

    The religious believe this because a book – in rarer cases a singular holy man or woman – has assured them that it’s true because “It just is, shut up”, and usually placed a huge penalty on doubting these unfounded “truth claims” that may or may not include an eternity in aforementioned “bad place,” and/or horrible things happening to you and/or people you care about now, or in the future.

    All of these beliefs, plus some, come together to form a dogma. The definition of dogma: A principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

    Now, what do atheists believe?

    Atheists believe those dogmas are fictional, and we require evidence to the contrary before we’re willing to make ourselves slaves to an entity that – by all rational measures – has never been proven to even exist.

    That’s it. That’s all atheists have in common; We reject your theology.

    We reject your dogma. We don’t have a new dogma of our own that all atheists must follow… We just think yours is fictional, and would appreciate it greatly if you stopped trying to force it on others with your words and actions unless and until you can prove it, which no one has ever done, ever.

    There are conservative atheists and liberal atheists. Capitalist atheists, communist atheists, happy atheists, sad atheists. Generous atheists and selfish atheists, kind atheists and mean atheists.

    It’s not “dogmatic” to reject ideas that present no rational basis for believing in them. It just isn’t. That’s not what “dogma” means.

    So next time you feel the need to call an atheist dogmatic, do try to keep in mind that all you’re actually doing is labeling yourself as someone with a “personal unsubstantiated belief” that certain words in the English language should mean different things when you really want them to.

    in reply to: General Discussion #286999
    ZRX61
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    I wonder if those responsible for this little ‘incident’ had a religious upbringing?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15335899

    What happened to their consciences, awareness of others needs and ability to distinguish between right and wrong?

    According to the bible it wouldn’t make any difference at all. Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you”

    Therefore before god formed Hitler, Stalin, Gacy, Speck, Manson, Bundy, Capone, Dahmer, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden & Jack the Ripper etc… god knew them & what they would do.

    That’s a bit awkward..

    in reply to: General Discussion #286831
    ZRX61
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    It seems to depend on your dictionary:-
    DOGMA n “a settled opinion; a principle or doctrine; a doctrine laid down with (note – not by) authority”
    Rather seems to cover both sides of the argument, to me, anyway.

    A complete lack of evidence can hardly be described as “dogma”. People aren’t acquitted during trials because of dogma. At least where I live.

    in reply to: General Discussion #286835
    ZRX61
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    You are rationalizing, which has been/is the root of your rhetoric.
    So next time you do that keep in mind that, as you float your atheist dogma about religion, that is not a good thing.

    Dogma
    a belief or set of beliefs held by a group which others are expected to accept without argument

    Did you not understand this part?

    “So next time you feel the need to call an atheist dogmatic, do try to keep in mind that all you’re actually doing is labeling yourself as someone with a “personal unsubstantiated belief” that certain words in the English language should mean different things when you really want them to.”?

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    ZRX61

    Yet again, you are wrong. Empathy played no part. It was religion that was required. It was required because I wasn’t born with an understanding and an appreciation of the three values mentioned. Because of the unique circumstances into which I and millions of others was born – the pre-occupations of WW2 – our parents and our teachers had no time and maybe less inclination to instill moral values and concepts.

    Like I said: religion isn’t a requirement. That was just the method used for you. A shoe salesman could teach the same stuff without resorting to a contradictory book written 2000 years ago. My parents grew up during WWII, mum’s side was bombed out twice in London. Her dad was a catholic but at no point during either parents life was religion responsible for the person they turned out to be.
    Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
    As a source of morality the bible is second only to the koran as the worse possible book used to teach anything even remotely moral. The book is chock full of murder, child abuse, incest, rape, genocide, threats of eternal damnation etc. If it was subject to the same standards as other literature, it would be illegal for children to be allowed anywhere near it. Like this:

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/ZRX61/Posters/Boft.jpg
    Feel free to point out any parts of the warning that aren’t factual….

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/ZRX61/Posters/jesus.jpg

    in reply to: General Discussion #286717
    ZRX61
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    In any case as I posted several days ago I have always respected your or any other believers beliefs. It is up to you to decide and I have never, here or anywhere else tried to impose my atheism on anyone else.
    We are free to choose. All we are doing here is debating semantics.

    I don’t discuss it until someone starts discussing religion… That’s why my posts about aircraft don’t contain any reference to it 🙂

    Oh wait, you aren’t reading my posts, n/m 😉

    in reply to: General Discussion #286722
    ZRX61
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    DOCTRINE, n. [L., to teach.]

    1. In a general sense, whatever is taught. Hence, a principle or position in any science; whatever is laid down as true by an instructor or master. The doctrines of the gospel are the principles or truths taught by Christ and his apostles. The doctrines of Plato are the principles which he taught. Hence a doctrine may be true or false; it may be a mere tenet or opinion.

    You just proved my point about you not understanding what dogma means. Atheism isn’t taught, it’s the default position. Everyone is a born atheist until adults start lying to them.

    in reply to: General Discussion #286600
    ZRX61
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    As my post was responding to RpR, yours doesn’t make much sense.

    I thought you weren’t reading my posts? 😉 But I’m sorry you fail to comprehend when someone is agreeing with you on something….

    in reply to: General Discussion #286593
    ZRX61
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    Hmm, you speak of dogma but paste doctrine, bizarre.
    Does that prove you are dyslexic?

    Here, let me post the rest of YOUR post where you laid out the definition YOU most often use…

    Dog”ma (?), n.; pl. E. Dogmas (#), L. Dogmata (#). [L. dogma, Gr. , pl. , fr. to think, seem, appear; akin to L. decet it is becoming. Cf. Decent.]

    1. That which is held as an opinion; a tenet; a doctrine. “

    In public schools students are usually taught evolution, that God did not create man.
    Mentioning creation is forbidden, there is genuine proof of neither.
    Now what were you saying?

    Mentioning creationism is NOT forbidden in school. It’s talked about in comparative religion. What is NOT allowed is for it to be taught in a science class.
    Here’s a simple question for ya in two parts:
    Have you ever had a flu shot? Have you ever had more than one flu shot?

    btw, you also ignored the part about atheism not being taught & not dogma. Don’t be afraid of critical thinking, it doesn’t hurt.

    in reply to: General Discussion #286489
    ZRX61
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    Nice try again bunky but refusal to allow speaking of God in the public class room, is teaching atheism.
    It is a doctine, a very short one.

    The teacher in that case you mentioned is probably going to get her tit in the wringer over that.

    Not mentioning god is NOT teaching atheism FFS, Here is it again in bold: Atheism is the default position, EVERYONE is born atheist until adults lie to them
    An absence of one thing doesn’t mean it must be something else. An absence of coconuts isn’t a Chevy any more than an absence of trees must mean you are in a desert.

    Would it help you if I typed slower or do you have a grown up nearby to explain words to you?

    Doctrine (just for you)

    1a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party
    , or other group:

    http://www.atheists.org/

    One more time: A lack of belief isn’t a belief, unless you think “off” is a television channel & bald is a hair color?

    in reply to: General Discussion #286493
    ZRX61
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    Why stop there? Don’t teach them a foreign language, until they’re old enough to decide if they want to speak to foreigners; don’t teach them science until they can decide if science is for them; don’t let them play sport, until they can choose which sport they want to do; don’t teach history in case they learn how people have killed each other, and might get the idea.

    Because people actually speak different languages, science exists as does sport & history..

    in reply to: General Discussion #286220
    ZRX61
    Member

    Or you could have said:

    No religion is interested in education; they are interested in CONTROL,

    in reply to: General Discussion #286223
    ZRX61
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    Just as we were, in this nation, when witches were burnt at the stake, or drowned; with education, this no longer happens, and it’s to be hoped that other races learn the same message, and quicker than we did, too.

    Witchcraft is more superstitious nonsense. They didn’t burn *witches*, they burnt women who were different or didn’t buy into their BS.

    And the main tenet of the Christian religion (can’t talk for others, since I’ve never bothered to learn about them) is the Ten Commandments, which tell you to be just that; I do find it rather sad that you don’t want children to be taught that.

    Which were stolen from other, older religions…which you’d know from a comparative religion class 😉 & while we’re on the subject, the first 4 or 5 of them just deal with this god thing being a jealous & vindictive jackass & are nothing to do with how you treat other people. You’d also know that 75-80& of the bible is also stolen from those same older/other religions.

    If people are going to pick a book to teach morality then maybe pick one that said “oh, btw, owning other people is wrong”. There’s are lots of books written since that have nothing to do with superstitious nonsense & are FAR better for teaching people not to be assholes.

    in reply to: General Discussion #286226
    ZRX61
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    Nice try, stirrer; religions exist, as well, so why shouldn’t children be allowed to know about them?
    Absolutely they should, that why they have classes on comparative religions & mythlogy etc. I know religions exist, but for the most part what they worship doesn’t
    Wrong, atheism is a disbelief in god, and it’s impossible to disbelieve something until you’re told about it. Everyone is born INNOCENT.
    So you’re ok with religious people stealing a childs innocence? & you’re right, we shouldn’t even have a word for people who don’t fall for this superstitious nonsense. We don’t have words to describe people who don’t believe in astrology or alchemy…

    You really are a nasty piece of work, aren’t you?

    & you finish off with ad hominem, you’d fit right into a religion, pick one 🙂

    in reply to: General Discussion #286184
    ZRX61
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    The Ten Commandments may have been written for the Jews but aren’t they still in the Christian Bible?

    Didn’t you get the memo? They get to pick & choose which parts of the OT & NT they follow. Most of the time you bring up some asshole deal that jebus did & they say “Oh, but that was in the Old Testment”.. Then you point out that he wasn’t in the prequel & they get all confused.

    in reply to: General Discussion #286188
    ZRX61
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    If you would keep up with the program, if there is a god, there are no other older religions, only man made corruptions of the one true faith and god.

    Really? Then why would the bible need to state “you will have no other gods before me”? If there were no other gods, there wouldn’t be a need to include that awkward admission…

    & the fact that you follow a version of the bible written by an English King who had an incestuous, homosexual relationship with a cousin kinda shoots down any claims your lot come up with regarding morality.

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