Good luck if you have a bonk on the head in a C type. It was nice to see pilots wearing something a bit more substantial that the DC cloth helmet or the leather and hardshell Campbell at Duxford recently.
I’m looking for B-17 turbos..bit of a long shot but I have a friend in Phoenix, USA, who would like some. Thanks in advance!
No proof, only the bomber pilots joshing the fighter pilots that if it had been on the flight then as it was a twin, ‘the bomber boys’ would fly it.. as you could imagine the twin engine jet guys disagreed (Jag/Typh/Torn)!
BBMF do not operate aircraft or a are geared up to support aircraft on the civilian register, that, and for many other reasons this wouldn’t happen any time soon.
Agent K
BBMF were about to get the BAe Mosquito T3 the year it crashed.
You beat me to it.
BBMF looked after this Spitfire and it was made cosmetically sound while at Coningsby. It was a bit of a basket case, iirc the wings were pretty jiggered (technical term), no one at BBMF thought it was a go’er at that time, but with enough money…
I thought I spotted a 1-11 tail last year near the Royal flight end of Seeb, there was also a few decaying Skyvans hiding in a thicket near the taxi way.. happy childhood memories of BAC 1-11 trips to Salalah and Thumrait.
I watched the series as a youngster, only to wind-up working at BD with one of the stars of the show. Strange how life works out, top bloke to boot.
It was an attack against European Airwork employees who were employed to work on SOAF aircraft..
The ‘fighter’ pilots will come from the resident FJ squadrons at Coningsby or occasionally and unusually Cranwell if they are on a QFI tour. The bomber crews (Pilot/Flight Eng) will come from multi engines, so Waddington, Cranwell and Brize. The Navs (WSO) are usually from Tornado, are desk bound or train rear crews at Cranwell. Rear Dakota WSOp’s were from the rotary world at one point.
There are a few ex-BBMF guys flying warbirds, but not that many. Most don’t do it after leaving BBMF because they have careers to go to. All would love to do it again. đ
…and thatâs how the AC-47 was born. ?. Itâs possibly doable, but youâd have to be Houdini to get any sort of shot off in that space, and, where would the empty cases go? Much better to leg it down the back and rain down hellfire from the open cargo door.
If youâre involved in a fire, even wearing two layers (nomex/cotton, aramid/gortex), gloves and boots thereâs still a good chance you will receive burns to areas of the body, however they will normally be classed as survivable. If youâre not wearing FR kit youâll come off a lot worse. I have been involved with most of the kit other posters have mentioned for many years, I have done burn tests on thermo dummies and seen the results of the various materials and configurations after real crashes/ejections as well. Flying clothing is always going to be a compromise of protection, weight, durability, comfort, cost, etc (I cannot comment on ground based I.e tank crew FR kit but would image the same goes). It is designed to give the maximum amount of protection whilst meeting or exceeding a rigorous set of standards/requirements. Yes, years ago the older generation of suits were repaired using nylon thread, but they are now repaired using at aramid thread (FR thread). Nomex can be laundered, it is not an âapplicationâ like water proofing a tent, but a fabric, various weights are available. I agree with the above poster though, you only get one body, protect it, donât buy second hand. Iâm constantly amazed that there are still people out there who think nothing of splashing hard cash on an aeroplane but wonât do the same for their own protection. âYeah, itâs great innit, I got it off e-bay..â.
I hope the pilot makes a fully recovery.
First, apologies if this is slightly OT. Secondly, what you wear when you go flying is a personal choice, just some personal musings below.
Just because these kinds of accidents are comparatively rare doesnât mean aviators should disregard their own safety. The old aviation favourites âit will never happen to meâ and âsods lawâ still play a role in GA flying as much as they do in historic and military aviation. Dress to survive should be in everyoneâs minds, wether youâre about to strap on a Spitfire or cross the channel in a microlight.
Iâm not saying that all steely eyed 172 pilots should wear helmets, coveralls, long sleeve and leg under garments, gloves and stout boots, but there is nothing wrong in looking out for yourself, after all, no one will do it for you (unless youâre a military aviator). đ
Warbird aircrew not wearing helmets? The majority of high performance Warbird pilots I have worked with or talked to wear either a historic looking modern hard shell helmet with goggles (Campbell), a commercial helmet (Alpha or MSA) or a WW2 leather original. Thereâs a reason why modern helmets are made of carbon fibre and not leather – our understanding of impact injuries and impact protection has improved greatly in the last 75 years. A glancing impact whilst wearing a hard shell helmet is infinitely safer than a bash on the noggin wearing a leather helmet or DC headset. Is it going to help you survive a high speed crash? Probably not, but for a nose over, bird strike, bail out, etc then Iâd personally prefer to wear something that can absorb most of the impact for me.
Somebody mentioned flying coveralls earlier – no two are the same, if you wear one, make sure itâs made of Nomex or meta aramid. There are a few cheaper suits available, these wonât be made of fire resistant/retardant materials and will be as much use as a chocolate fire guard in a flash fire (the purpose of the suit is to give you a few extra seconds in which to escape). If youâre going to wear a coverall, wear cotton underwear as a base layer, Iâd recommend cotton long johns/long sleeve t-shirts, from experience this can be âquite warmâ on the rare occasion the sun shines in the UK, but itâs better than the alternative. Also, consider foot ware and gloves suitable for aircraft type. Pilot flight equipment (or ppe for aviators) is out there and available, please pm me if youâd like to discuss.
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