nice aircraft, shame about the paint….

Originally posted by Whiskey Delta

Letting an autopilot fly you 10 hours to a landing in a country where to turn around depart back to where you came is hardly a great measuring stick for a country and it’s operation.

Oh dear WD you have shown you true maturity now boy.

Firstly I didn’t start flying the 747. I have many a number of hours flying the turbo props, the same as you. You now are hinting that flying the widebody around the world is childsplay. This confirms you have no understanding of aviation or infact what goes on out side of the US. If, and I now doubt, you ever make it into the majors you might have some experience to back up your quite poor arguements.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Your lack of intelligence is quite outstanding.

Also, Yes, 5 years in ATC and it has been in both enroute and TMA.

For you information my posts have been edited for spelling. Is that OK.

I am now bored trying to converse with a typical yank, if you want to carry on with this send a private message, lets not clog this messege board up with your drivel.

Originally posted by Whiskey Delta

Last thing I want to see is this turn into a “my **** is bigger than your **** argument?”

Last I check O’Hare is the busiest airport in the world (or at least trades that title with Atlanta frequently).

I bet none of you knew that the busiest enroute airspace in the world is in Cleveland Ohio.

Heck I provided an example of a small airport operation that exceeds that of the busiest airports in the world and you weren’t impressed. NYC had a higher concentration of large airports but that wasn’t exceptable either.

I AGREE so why do you keep posting how busy everything is over there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And for some info for you as you haven’t botherd to look it up, yes Ohio is the busiest airspace in the world and yes I did know that, Ohio airspace handles some 11,000 movements in a day within 70,000 square miles of airspace. Where as London move 6,000 flights in in a tiny fraction of the size. I will leave it up to you to find out…

I find it very shallow that you have such a strong one sided opion of ATC when you don’t have much experience of ATC worlwide. Amercia, Canada and Mexico is not my idea of an extensive experience.
No one has said that US controllers are bad. I find them very good, but I stand by my opion with is backed by the fact that I have worked in ATC and I have flown around the world commercially and I have experienced worldwide ATC. Just because a piece of airspace is busier than another doesn’t mean the controllers are better.

WD you wrote….

Canada and Mexico are my other experiences.

Not excatly extensive expereince now is it.

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I’m glad you liked my link but did you read it?

Yes I did

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More operations than Chicago O’Hare per day and all that with out radar?

I feel some praise should go out to the pilots not just ATC.

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Communicating with controllers via wing wags? That’s not an impressive operation?

Not really.

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Shutdown the radar at Heathrow and see what its like.

Why, then let’s then shut down Atlanta and see what happens there.

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So this whole point began with me sharing that I felt there are some darn good controllers here in the US.

No one was saying anything bad or negative about US controllers.

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The European community probably doesn’t know about the complexity of their operations.

And you don’t know anything about ATC in Europe as you haven’t flown here.

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Heck I provided an example of a small airport operation that exceeds that of the busiest airports in the world and you weren’t impressed.

Sorry, was I supposed to jump with joy and sing your national antham.

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NYC had a higher concentration of large airports but that wasn’t exceptable either.

Sorry I must of missed something here. When did I say it was not exceptable.

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Did I mention that the US controllers emptied the skies on 9/11/01 in a matter of hours? I talked to a Cleveland Center controller supervisor about that operation and……we’ll it wouldn’t matter as you aren’t impressed.

You seem to be feeling a little dejected don’t you.

Thank you so much for sending me that information WD.

I have studied the arrival procedures on the web site and now you have me worried that you think that is a complex arrival situation. Following train lines and roads at certain heights is not my idea of a complex arrival situation.

A question for you….

Have you flown commercially outside of the US, let’s say Asia or Europe?
Also, what experience of other countries ATC do you have.

I look forward to your reply.

WD you wrote.

They go there because of their familiarity with complex arrival situations. They are good in my opinion.

I have to disagree with your comment on COMPLEX ARRIVAL situations. Would an airfield implement complex arrival situations for the vast amount of aircraft flying in, being piloted by non professional aviators. I feel it would just be a busy day rather than complex arrival situation.

If you want a busy day and a complex arrival situation then Silverstone is for you. I am told it has more aircraft movements on race day than Heathrow.

Well I am quite sure of the truth in my posting as I was fortunate enough to work in the London TMA ATC unit for nearly 5 years.

We had many Americans over from all over the states and let me tell you they were impressed and shocked on how busy the London TMA was.

I have also done a fair bit of flying Stateside and I will stick to my comments on the Brit controllers being the best.:D

It’s old, dirty and busy.

Two main runways 27L/R and 09L/R
Also runway 23. This is only used with extreme x winds and in an emergency. I have known it used a couple of times in the last 3 to 4 years.

The ATC guys are the best in the world, FACT.
4 terminals with the 5th being built as we speak.
Some 20 miles from London and yes it’s closer to London than Gatwick.

I guess some others will step in with more facts.

Cheers

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