Steve TouchdownSauron said (click to hear)
And, lo, the Wise Man known as Coanda was proven to be correct 😀
Steve
Steve TouchdownSauron said (click to hear)
And, lo, the Wise Man known as Coanda was proven to be correct 😀
Steve
Steve TouchdownWhy can’t some people just pick a line and stick to it?
Is that assembly or production line, Phil? 😀 😀 😀
Let’s just be thankful we don’t have 10.2% unemployment :diablo:
Steve
Steve TouchdownHave any of the French Chaps around here got any Rafale news from recent weeks they can share perhaps?
Here’s a few things that I’ve picked up:
1) CEAM (EC 05.330) are using at least four Rafale B now at Mont de Marsan:
B302/330-AC, B303/330-EA, B304/330-EB & B305/330-EC
One of these will be at the Istres MNA in June, but is listed as non-flying so far.
2) Rafale C s/n 102 has been seen recently at Bordeaux-Merignac: delivered as F2 specification?
3) There is a rumour of a final “end of Jaguar” ceremony/event at St. Dizier for Tuesday 29th June….which I assume has implications for EC 7 and the arrival of Rafale?
Any other news regarding Armee de l’Air Rafales around in the French magazines?
Best regards
Steve Rush ~ Touchdown-News
Steve TouchdownYes, that scathing brutal attack of: “You appear to have your dates and history confused ”
Yeah, Damn, Steve, no holds barred with you, you tiger. A bit over the top though don’t you think? I mean “confused”. Your mother will wash your mouth out with soap if she hears you use foul language like that. I am surprised boil didn’t complain to the Webmaster. He is probably just trying to recover from the shock of it all…
I know, I’m pure evil aren’t I :rolleyes:
It’s funny, but I’d have thought even the most ardent and staunch supporter of OIF would at least be realistic enough to recognise that after Desert Storm, ten years of isolation and embargoes and a gradual denuding of air defence capabilities thanks to ONW and OSW that Iraq was the least able to defend itself out of the list of “rogue states” cited by Dubya.
But apparently I’m not entitled to have an opinion on that as I wasn’t put in harm’s way as a member of the services. Ho hum.
Steve
Steve TouchdownYes, that scathing brutal attack of: “You appear to have your dates and history confused ”
Yeah, Damn, Steve, no holds barred with you, you tiger. A bit over the top though don’t you think? I mean “confused”. Your mother will wash your mouth out with soap if she hears you use foul language like that. I am surprised boil didn’t complain to the Webmaster. He is probably just trying to recover from the shock of it all…
I know, I’m pure evil aren’t I :rolleyes:
It’s funny, but I’d have thought even the most ardent and staunch supporter of OIF would at least be realistic enough to recognise that after Desert Storm, ten years of isolation and embargoes and a gradual denuding of air defence capabilities thanks to ONW and OSW that Iraq was the least able to defend itself out of the list of “rogue states” cited by Dubya.
But apparently I’m not entitled to have an opinion on that as I wasn’t put in harm’s way as a member of the services. Ho hum.
Steve
Steve TouchdownI haven’t read all of this thread, so please excuse me if any of this has already been posted:
1) Garry: a purchase of MiG-29s (even SMTs were touted at one time last year) seems highly unlikely at this point in time, and has even been flatly denied by senior politicians in Venezuela. There are most certainly Russian helicopters being purchased though: namely Mi-35s, Mi-171s and Mi-26s. I thought there had been quite a lot posted here on the forum about those deals: the Hinds are (or were) due to be delivered fairly shortly. Check out posts by ‘The Baphomet’ for more details.
2) No anti-Chavez propaganda in the US media?? Do me a favour! It all reached a pinnacle last December with the infamous “we shoot down MiGs” remark made by a White House “official” on the grounds of anonymity.
Read more about it here, courtesy of Fox News:
http://www.petroleumworld.com/Lag021705.htm
Please, don’t mistake having your head buried in the sand and being ill-informed for what goes on in reality. :rolleyes:
Steve Rush ~ Touchdown-News
Steve TouchdownMy original point in responding to Dave was that an increase in attacks on US soldiers is unlikely at this point, given the upswing in civillian attacks. That is what I was specifically referring to when responding to his specific point. Nobody is saying that no US soldiers are being attacked or killed.
Sean, what Dave said was “more and more of your troops”: that doesn’t mean it has to be an “upswing”, does it? It’s just a continual list of increasing casualties and incidents. You’ve turned what Dave said into what fits your point.
What? We invade Iraq, take down Saddam, and set up free elections, and that is supposed to give any disgruntled Muslim in the theater the right to enter Iraq and blow things up?
Why are you asking me that? What does our opinion count? I’d say that, in their minds, they have more right to be there than than the Coalition does. That isn’t my own opinion but it wasn’t hard to predict, was it?
I’d call a major shift in objectives and strategy news, but that’s just me.
Sure: but the shift came about as soon as the “new Iraqi” institutions were being set up. Again, hardly a shock is it? There was a figure I recall from a BBC documentary that aired at the time of the elections: Mosul had something like 3,000 Iraqi policemen a few days after the new force was set-up. After a few insurgent attacks, several of quite some ferocity, that force dropped to below a 1,000. They jihadists have seen it’s a policy that works: terrorism in it’s purest definition.
Sorry, but “hold elections and leave” just doesn’t wash. We are committed to actively improve and renovate the infrastructure in Iraq (and would be a lot further along if idiots weren’t trying to blow things up all the time), but these kinds of successes just don’t make the news for some reason.
You already probably know I get every single press release that comes out of MSNTC-I, CENTCOM, DoD etc. etc. so, if anything, my view of what’s happening in Iraq is probably extremely skewed in a positive way! I agree though, the good works don’t make the mainstream media. But the point is there wasn’t an overall exit strategy in place: ask the Italian, Bulgarian, Polish, Ukrainian governments and armed forces what their view of that point is. It won’t be long until it’s just the Brits and Yanks left there. Two Armies doing policing duties for years to come. Is that really how it was planned? I’d be amazed if it were.
Best regards
Steve
Steve TouchdownMy original point in responding to Dave was that an increase in attacks on US soldiers is unlikely at this point, given the upswing in civillian attacks. That is what I was specifically referring to when responding to his specific point. Nobody is saying that no US soldiers are being attacked or killed.
Sean, what Dave said was “more and more of your troops”: that doesn’t mean it has to be an “upswing”, does it? It’s just a continual list of increasing casualties and incidents. You’ve turned what Dave said into what fits your point.
What? We invade Iraq, take down Saddam, and set up free elections, and that is supposed to give any disgruntled Muslim in the theater the right to enter Iraq and blow things up?
Why are you asking me that? What does our opinion count? I’d say that, in their minds, they have more right to be there than than the Coalition does. That isn’t my own opinion but it wasn’t hard to predict, was it?
I’d call a major shift in objectives and strategy news, but that’s just me.
Sure: but the shift came about as soon as the “new Iraqi” institutions were being set up. Again, hardly a shock is it? There was a figure I recall from a BBC documentary that aired at the time of the elections: Mosul had something like 3,000 Iraqi policemen a few days after the new force was set-up. After a few insurgent attacks, several of quite some ferocity, that force dropped to below a 1,000. They jihadists have seen it’s a policy that works: terrorism in it’s purest definition.
Sorry, but “hold elections and leave” just doesn’t wash. We are committed to actively improve and renovate the infrastructure in Iraq (and would be a lot further along if idiots weren’t trying to blow things up all the time), but these kinds of successes just don’t make the news for some reason.
You already probably know I get every single press release that comes out of MSNTC-I, CENTCOM, DoD etc. etc. so, if anything, my view of what’s happening in Iraq is probably extremely skewed in a positive way! I agree though, the good works don’t make the mainstream media. But the point is there wasn’t an overall exit strategy in place: ask the Italian, Bulgarian, Polish, Ukrainian governments and armed forces what their view of that point is. It won’t be long until it’s just the Brits and Yanks left there. Two Armies doing policing duties for years to come. Is that really how it was planned? I’d be amazed if it were.
Best regards
Steve
Steve TouchdownIraq soft? Tell that to the Tornado crews lost in 1991. Or the C-130 that wnet down…it was enemy fire wasn’t it?
You appear to have your dates and history confused (what a shock). Think about when the ‘Axis of Evil’ speech was. It has nothing to do with Desert Storm. If you know what brought the Herc down then you’re better informed than the board of enquiry.
Please don’t try cheap shots about Tonka crews in Desert Storm: I had mates on 12, 13 and 617 Sqn flying ops, thanks. :rolleyes:
Steve
Steve TouchdownIraq soft? Tell that to the Tornado crews lost in 1991. Or the C-130 that wnet down…it was enemy fire wasn’t it?
You appear to have your dates and history confused (what a shock). Think about when the ‘Axis of Evil’ speech was. It has nothing to do with Desert Storm. If you know what brought the Herc down then you’re better informed than the board of enquiry.
Please don’t try cheap shots about Tonka crews in Desert Storm: I had mates on 12, 13 and 617 Sqn flying ops, thanks. :rolleyes:
Steve
Steve TouchdownAre you denying that the insurgency is increasing their focus on IIG, TNA, and civillian targets? That is the trend I see, and it has the potential to cause much larger problems and create much greater instability than focusing on US military targets. Sure, we’re still targeted, and there are numerous IEDs scattered about, but the focus now seems to be on demoralizing the civillian polulation and causing a rift between Sunni and Shia.
NO! Of course I’m not! I’m merely pointing out that your dsimissive comments about “troops” not being attacked and killed in Iraq any longer is complete nonsense, Sean.
Of course the insurgents/jihadists etc. are attacking softer targets. You can’t really complain at that when your brave Pres picked the softest target in the Axis of Evil to begin with though.
Those attacks on non-US military targets have been going on for 18 months or so, it’s not “news” really.
This just dropped into my inbox literally moments ago:
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, April 29, 2005 – Several car bombs have rocked Baghdad, Iraq, today, and elsewhere another car bomb killed a U.S. soldier.
Multiple car bombs in and around Baghdad today killed at least 24 Iraqis and wounded at least another 80, according to news sources. Reports say that the wounded were mostly police and military patrols.
“While there has been an overall downward trend in attacks since elections, terrorists have still proven they can execute or surge their capability to conduct limited attacks,” a Multinational Force Iraq spokesman said in a statement.
Coalition officials see the string of attacks “as another desperate attempt by the terrorists to discredit the newly formed Iraqi government,” the spokesman noted.
“The attacks today, mostly directed against innocent Iraqi civilians, perpetuate the terrorists’ failing attempts to drive a wedge between the Iraqi people and their right to choose their own destiny,” the spokesman added.
Also today, a separate car-bomb attack killed a U.S. Army soldier from the 1st Corps Support Command. Two other soldiers were wounded in the attack, which occurred miles north of Taji.
The three soldiers were evacuated to the theater hospital at Logistics Support Area Anaconda, where one died. The other two soldiers are being treated at the hospital.
The previous evening, an improvised explosive device detonation near Hawija killed one U.S. soldier from Task Force Liberty and wounded four others. The wounded soldiers were evacuated to a coalition medical facility and are in stable condition.
The names of the soldiers killed and wounded are being withheld pending notification of their families.
Elsewhere in Iraq, coalition forces from 1st Brigade, 25th Infantry Division (Stryker Brigade Combat Team), detained six suspected terrorists and seized a number of weapons during operations in northern Iraq on April 28.
Soldiers from 1st Battalion, 5th Infantry Regiment, detained three individuals suspected of terrorist activity following an attack on their patrol in southern Mosul. The soldiers also identified a weapons cache while conducting search operation in the same area. The weapons were confiscated for future destruction.
Soldiers from 1st Battalion, 24th Infantry Regiment, detained two individuals suspected of terrorist activity after they stopped the individuals’ vehicle in southern Mosul. The soldiers also detained another individual suspected of terrorist activity during a raid in western Mosul. The suspects are in custody, and no injuries to coalition force were reported.
Compiled from Multinational Force Iraq news releases and other news sources.
It still seems to me the only exit strategy was to hold elections and then bug out because the population would be satisfied with that.
Steve
Steve TouchdownAre you denying that the insurgency is increasing their focus on IIG, TNA, and civillian targets? That is the trend I see, and it has the potential to cause much larger problems and create much greater instability than focusing on US military targets. Sure, we’re still targeted, and there are numerous IEDs scattered about, but the focus now seems to be on demoralizing the civillian polulation and causing a rift between Sunni and Shia.
NO! Of course I’m not! I’m merely pointing out that your dsimissive comments about “troops” not being attacked and killed in Iraq any longer is complete nonsense, Sean.
Of course the insurgents/jihadists etc. are attacking softer targets. You can’t really complain at that when your brave Pres picked the softest target in the Axis of Evil to begin with though.
Those attacks on non-US military targets have been going on for 18 months or so, it’s not “news” really.
This just dropped into my inbox literally moments ago:
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, April 29, 2005 – Several car bombs have rocked Baghdad, Iraq, today, and elsewhere another car bomb killed a U.S. soldier.
Multiple car bombs in and around Baghdad today killed at least 24 Iraqis and wounded at least another 80, according to news sources. Reports say that the wounded were mostly police and military patrols.
“While there has been an overall downward trend in attacks since elections, terrorists have still proven they can execute or surge their capability to conduct limited attacks,” a Multinational Force Iraq spokesman said in a statement.
Coalition officials see the string of attacks “as another desperate attempt by the terrorists to discredit the newly formed Iraqi government,” the spokesman noted.
“The attacks today, mostly directed against innocent Iraqi civilians, perpetuate the terrorists’ failing attempts to drive a wedge between the Iraqi people and their right to choose their own destiny,” the spokesman added.
Also today, a separate car-bomb attack killed a U.S. Army soldier from the 1st Corps Support Command. Two other soldiers were wounded in the attack, which occurred miles north of Taji.
The three soldiers were evacuated to the theater hospital at Logistics Support Area Anaconda, where one died. The other two soldiers are being treated at the hospital.
The previous evening, an improvised explosive device detonation near Hawija killed one U.S. soldier from Task Force Liberty and wounded four others. The wounded soldiers were evacuated to a coalition medical facility and are in stable condition.
The names of the soldiers killed and wounded are being withheld pending notification of their families.
Elsewhere in Iraq, coalition forces from 1st Brigade, 25th Infantry Division (Stryker Brigade Combat Team), detained six suspected terrorists and seized a number of weapons during operations in northern Iraq on April 28.
Soldiers from 1st Battalion, 5th Infantry Regiment, detained three individuals suspected of terrorist activity following an attack on their patrol in southern Mosul. The soldiers also identified a weapons cache while conducting search operation in the same area. The weapons were confiscated for future destruction.
Soldiers from 1st Battalion, 24th Infantry Regiment, detained two individuals suspected of terrorist activity after they stopped the individuals’ vehicle in southern Mosul. The soldiers also detained another individual suspected of terrorist activity during a raid in western Mosul. The suspects are in custody, and no injuries to coalition force were reported.
Compiled from Multinational Force Iraq news releases and other news sources.
It still seems to me the only exit strategy was to hold elections and then bug out because the population would be satisfied with that.
Steve
Steve TouchdownTroops? Please, they’ve moved on to unarmed civillians now for the most part, don’t you watch the news?
I expected better of you than that, Sean.
Incredible to hear Dubya’s Canadian cheerleader harping-on about perceived “anti-Americanism” in this forum. I’m 100% sure that nobody here celebrates these casualty lists coming out of OIF and OEF day after day, week after week, month after month……
04/28/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/28/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/28/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/27/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/27/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/27/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/26/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/25/2005: DoD Identifies Navy Casualty
04/25/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/25/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/23/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/21/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualties
04/21/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualties
04/20/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/19/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/19/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/19/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualties
04/18/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/18/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/18/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/18/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/18/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/15/2005: DoD Announces Change-in-Status of Army Soldiers
04/15/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/14/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/13/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/13/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/12/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/11/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualties and Soldiers as Whereabouts Unknown
04/11/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/09/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualties
04/08/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/08/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/07/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/06/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/06/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/06/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/05/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/05/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/04/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/04/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/04/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/04/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/01/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/01/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
R.I.P. every last one of them.
Steve
Steve TouchdownTroops? Please, they’ve moved on to unarmed civillians now for the most part, don’t you watch the news?
I expected better of you than that, Sean.
Incredible to hear Dubya’s Canadian cheerleader harping-on about perceived “anti-Americanism” in this forum. I’m 100% sure that nobody here celebrates these casualty lists coming out of OIF and OEF day after day, week after week, month after month……
04/28/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/28/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/28/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/27/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/27/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/27/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/26/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/25/2005: DoD Identifies Navy Casualty
04/25/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/25/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/23/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/21/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualties
04/21/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualties
04/20/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/19/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/19/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/19/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualties
04/18/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/18/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/18/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/18/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/18/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/15/2005: DoD Announces Change-in-Status of Army Soldiers
04/15/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/14/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/13/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/13/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/12/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/11/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualties and Soldiers as Whereabouts Unknown
04/11/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/09/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualties
04/08/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/08/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/07/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/06/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/06/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/06/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/05/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/05/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/04/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/04/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/04/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/04/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
04/01/2005: DoD Identifies Army Casualty
04/01/2005: DoD Identifies Marine Casualty
R.I.P. every last one of them.
Steve
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