Steve TouchdownIt’s obvious that those who are pretending to be concerned about these scum are only responding because the U.S. is holding them. Otherwise we would not hear a peep from them.
You’ll have to explain how this thread would even exist in the first place if the U.S. wasn’t holding detainees at Gitmo.
You’re really not even half as bright as you like to think you are, but maybe you could enlighten us as to what Maher Arar has done to be considered “scum” in your eyes?
Steve
Steve TouchdownIt’s obvious that those who are pretending to be concerned about these scum are only responding because the U.S. is holding them. Otherwise we would not hear a peep from them.
You’ll have to explain how this thread would even exist in the first place if the U.S. wasn’t holding detainees at Gitmo.
You’re really not even half as bright as you like to think you are, but maybe you could enlighten us as to what Maher Arar has done to be considered “scum” in your eyes?
Steve
Steve TouchdownSometimes amongst all of the sadness connected with bereavement there are touching stories too.
My other half attended the joint funeral service and burial today of two of her long-time clients who both passed away on the same day just a week ago. Both were in their mid-to-late 80’s and had been married for many, many years. He had served as a Hurricane pilot and then went on to fly Typhoons and took part in the Amiens prison raid in ’44. She was a Wren at Bletchley Park.
Very sad for their respective families, especially their grandchildren, to lose two special people at the same time, but a very poignant end to long and happy lives for the two of them, in my opinion.
R.I.P. Ian and Molly
Steve
Steve TouchdownSometimes amongst all of the sadness connected with bereavement there are touching stories too.
My other half attended the joint funeral service and burial today of two of her long-time clients who both passed away on the same day just a week ago. Both were in their mid-to-late 80’s and had been married for many, many years. He had served as a Hurricane pilot and then went on to fly Typhoons and took part in the Amiens prison raid in ’44. She was a Wren at Bletchley Park.
Very sad for their respective families, especially their grandchildren, to lose two special people at the same time, but a very poignant end to long and happy lives for the two of them, in my opinion.
R.I.P. Ian and Molly
Steve
Steve TouchdownNow back off you all saying that the Folks in Cuba are SOLDIERS well they aren’t neither are any so-called hired out-source former US Soldiers and under the Geneve Accourds Mercs. aren’t accourd the same rights so before you jump down my back read the Accourd once and awhile
From the BBC News site:
Q: What is the Geneva accord?
It is a detailed, “unofficial” blueprint for peace sponsored by what is left of the Israeli and Palestinian peace camps. It is the result of two and a half years of secret negotiations led by former Israeli Justice Minister Yossi Beilin and former Palestinian Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo. Both are former official peace negotiators.
It is called the Geneva accord because the negotiations were supported by Swiss diplomats.
The initiative, which is being officially launched in Geneva on 1 December, has European backing, as well as verbal support from UN Secretary General Kofi Annan.
As for Madrid isn’t Spain part of the EU
YES, of course it’s in the EU!!
You earlier said:
When the EU wake up and realize that the Death Pent. is a deterant then maybe they will get ssroius or will it take Downtown Paris or Berlin or any other major EU City getting bombed to change their minds.
So I’m telling you THERE’S ALREADY BEEN ONE!!
Like I said these fine outstanding Citizens where caught in and around know Training Camps so as Moggy said in the second post they shouldn’t been their in the first place.
Nope, wrong again. It includes people arrested in Stockholm (that’s in Sweden, by the way), a Canadian who was arrested at JFK and two British citizens who were detained and questioned here in London, allowed to travel to Gambia and then arrested there. The only time one of them had been to Afghamistan is when the US flew him to Bagram for interrogation!!
How did their British citizenship come about?
The Rawis’ father came to Britain to escape the regime of Saddam Hussein, which jailed him for two years.
Steve
Steve TouchdownNow back off you all saying that the Folks in Cuba are SOLDIERS well they aren’t neither are any so-called hired out-source former US Soldiers and under the Geneve Accourds Mercs. aren’t accourd the same rights so before you jump down my back read the Accourd once and awhile
From the BBC News site:
Q: What is the Geneva accord?
It is a detailed, “unofficial” blueprint for peace sponsored by what is left of the Israeli and Palestinian peace camps. It is the result of two and a half years of secret negotiations led by former Israeli Justice Minister Yossi Beilin and former Palestinian Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo. Both are former official peace negotiators.
It is called the Geneva accord because the negotiations were supported by Swiss diplomats.
The initiative, which is being officially launched in Geneva on 1 December, has European backing, as well as verbal support from UN Secretary General Kofi Annan.
As for Madrid isn’t Spain part of the EU
YES, of course it’s in the EU!!
You earlier said:
When the EU wake up and realize that the Death Pent. is a deterant then maybe they will get ssroius or will it take Downtown Paris or Berlin or any other major EU City getting bombed to change their minds.
So I’m telling you THERE’S ALREADY BEEN ONE!!
Like I said these fine outstanding Citizens where caught in and around know Training Camps so as Moggy said in the second post they shouldn’t been their in the first place.
Nope, wrong again. It includes people arrested in Stockholm (that’s in Sweden, by the way), a Canadian who was arrested at JFK and two British citizens who were detained and questioned here in London, allowed to travel to Gambia and then arrested there. The only time one of them had been to Afghamistan is when the US flew him to Bagram for interrogation!!
How did their British citizenship come about?
The Rawis’ father came to Britain to escape the regime of Saddam Hussein, which jailed him for two years.
Steve
Steve TouchdownAs for any other Countrys none that I’m aware of but when and if we capture SOLDIERS from other Countrys wearing Uniforms we treat them accourding to the Convention. Hell the International Red Cross doesn’t even consider Al Quida or any Terrorist group as combat troups.
RER
So how does that work for all of the “outsourced contractors” you have doing the job in many places around the World these days? Or are they “expendable” because they don’t wear dog tags and therefore not “soldiers” in your terms?
The DoD even sub-contracts private militia in Afghanistan (the same people who put the Taleban in power in some cases) to guard their installations over there.
Steve
Steve TouchdownAs for any other Countrys none that I’m aware of but when and if we capture SOLDIERS from other Countrys wearing Uniforms we treat them accourding to the Convention. Hell the International Red Cross doesn’t even consider Al Quida or any Terrorist group as combat troups.
RER
So how does that work for all of the “outsourced contractors” you have doing the job in many places around the World these days? Or are they “expendable” because they don’t wear dog tags and therefore not “soldiers” in your terms?
The DoD even sub-contracts private militia in Afghanistan (the same people who put the Taleban in power in some cases) to guard their installations over there.
Steve
Steve TouchdownWhen the EU wake up and realize that the Death Pent. is a deterant then maybe they will get ssroius or will it take Downtown Paris or Berlin or any other major EU City getting bombed to change their minds.
And Madrid happens to be where then exactly? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
That’s also ignoring the fact that we’ve had more than our fair share of bombings here in London too, thanks all the same. Or don’t those count seeing as they were planted with the financial support of Good Ol’ Boys in Chicago, Boston and New York in the days before the word “terrorist” entered the American language?
How exactly is the death penalty a “deterrent”!?! You need to check out the homicide rate between the USA and the EU, methinks. :rolleyes:
Steve
Steve TouchdownWhen the EU wake up and realize that the Death Pent. is a deterant then maybe they will get ssroius or will it take Downtown Paris or Berlin or any other major EU City getting bombed to change their minds.
And Madrid happens to be where then exactly? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
That’s also ignoring the fact that we’ve had more than our fair share of bombings here in London too, thanks all the same. Or don’t those count seeing as they were planted with the financial support of Good Ol’ Boys in Chicago, Boston and New York in the days before the word “terrorist” entered the American language?
How exactly is the death penalty a “deterrent”!?! You need to check out the homicide rate between the USA and the EU, methinks. :rolleyes:
Steve
Steve TouchdownOh wait, that wouldn’t be right, it’s the FARC itself that are the terrorists…
THAT’S the point: your gov’t is acting no better than the FARC.
Were these card carrying members of the vast AQ conspiracy or were the tans and beards enough “evidence”?
Steve
Steve TouchdownOh wait, that wouldn’t be right, it’s the FARC itself that are the terrorists…
THAT’S the point: your gov’t is acting no better than the FARC.
Were these card carrying members of the vast AQ conspiracy or were the tans and beards enough “evidence”?
Steve
Steve TouchdownDo you think we have a crystal ball that tells us the intentions and whatnot of every detainee the mintue they are picked up? It takes time, you know. There are people down there who are getting interviewed for the first time even still. Bitch about the system taking too long, but it did work in this case. Would you rather they have faced a false trial for some charge they weren’t guilty of?
If we weren’t busy eliminating Islamic extremism, the plague of the Modern world, we might be able to put more resources to processing these people, ever think of that? Of course, without Islamic extremism, there wouldn’t be detainees at Gitmo to begin with…
Wash your hands of them all Sean: send them to your friends in Uzbekistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Syria to torture “confessions” out of them.
Using your logic I presume you don’t have a problem with the US citizens being held captive by the FARC in Colombia, who enjoy the same amount of representation as the US allow the Gitmo detainees?
One of the detainees released to the Belgian authorities wasn’t in Afghanistan:
Mesut Sen, was of Turkish origin and was captured by the U.S. military in Pakistan in December 2001
This thread goes to prove there’s nothing like us Brits for being parochial and small-minded. Not really a surprise that the phrase “I’m alright, Jack” comes from these shores….
Steve
Steve TouchdownDo you think we have a crystal ball that tells us the intentions and whatnot of every detainee the mintue they are picked up? It takes time, you know. There are people down there who are getting interviewed for the first time even still. Bitch about the system taking too long, but it did work in this case. Would you rather they have faced a false trial for some charge they weren’t guilty of?
If we weren’t busy eliminating Islamic extremism, the plague of the Modern world, we might be able to put more resources to processing these people, ever think of that? Of course, without Islamic extremism, there wouldn’t be detainees at Gitmo to begin with…
Wash your hands of them all Sean: send them to your friends in Uzbekistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Syria to torture “confessions” out of them.
Using your logic I presume you don’t have a problem with the US citizens being held captive by the FARC in Colombia, who enjoy the same amount of representation as the US allow the Gitmo detainees?
One of the detainees released to the Belgian authorities wasn’t in Afghanistan:
Mesut Sen, was of Turkish origin and was captured by the U.S. military in Pakistan in December 2001
This thread goes to prove there’s nothing like us Brits for being parochial and small-minded. Not really a surprise that the phrase “I’m alright, Jack” comes from these shores….
Steve
Steve TouchdownBarnowl,
check out the Czech AF MiG-21MF(N) on our group’s homepage at the moment:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Touchdown-News
It’s not quite desktop size but you should be able to resize it without too much loss of sharpness etc.
I’m changing it in a day or two so grab it while you can if you like it!
Best regards
Steve Rush ~ Touchdown-News
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