I say again, for the purposes of clarity:

Rafale Unit Programme cost is €142 m.
Rafale Unit Production cost is €101 m.
Typhoon Unit programme cost is £99.14 m. That’s working on the latest NAO figures, and takes account of Saudi costs.
Typhoon Unit production cost is £70 m.

Anything else is nonsense!

When reality is annoying, change reality.

Glitter,
Typhoon’s unit programme cost is easy to calculate. Total programme costs for the UK are just over £22 Bn (call it £23 Bn, if you like, to be generous to you). That includes all of the development and production costs for the 72 Saudi aircraft. £23 Bn divided by 232 is £99.14 m. That’s €119.59 m – or €23 m cheaper, per aircraft than Rafale on a programme cost basis.

250 millions according the NAO, that’s official.

The unit production price of Rafale is higher, too – €101 m versus about £60 m.

101 ? 89 according to the CEO of Dassault.
As I wrote, you must be extremely clear when you want to compare the price. You, you can’t provide us the begining of an explanation of those prices.

Anyone interested in this saga will be interested in the twists and turns, and the pros and cons of both contenders. Dyed in the wool Rafale fanboys may prefer to put their fingers in their ears and refuse to listen to anything that might be construed as bad news. That’s their choice.

Anyone interested in this saga know that the Rafale has always been priced lower than the Eurofighter.

Carrots & Apple, it seems.

As you noticed, €142 m does include the R&D cost, which one won’t want to charge a first export customer with, I think 🙂

Worst than that, it’s R&D, production, maintenance, evolution during 30 years
http://www.ccomptes.fr/fr/CC/documents/RPA/1_conduite-des-programmes-armement.pdf

A customer will never see that price for the plane itself.
Of course, there is the question of the equipement of the plane, the infrastructure around it etc etc.

Then we have €101.1 m for France, vs “80 to 87 million Euro” (an estimation, it seems) for India.

A naked Rafale F2 was around 60 millions of euros.
Of course, a Rafale F3, with better equipment (and after several years of inflation) is more expensive.

Let’s see… 108 of the 126 aircrafts will be assembled (and in due time, more and more of their parts made) in India by HAL (or other), not by Dassault. Is the cost of the indian part of the assembly included? If not, that seems to be the first explanation for the different prices IMO…

Yes and no, because India will have to put in place a new industrial organization to built made in France elements.
That will come with a cost, then, it should be less expensive.
I wrote “should” because in case of bad management, you can have bad surprise.

The tanks on M2K are bigger 2000L class. Rafale do carry larger tanks subsonically but there is not much left for payload. Remember Rafale is limited to WVR weopon like Mica.

Could you try to make your point more obvious, I don’t get it.
That the 2000 liters fuel tanks of the Mirage 2000 is bigger than the 2000 liters fuel tanks of the Rafale ?

Or that you have such good eyes that 70Km is still within your visual range ?

Of course they are .

CFT on Rafale ?
Except few flights nothing has been done seriously.

Dassault is doing the same thing in Switzerland, offering lower price Rafales even though they decided on Gripen

I thought that this new offer from Dassault has been denied from both side ??

But when you think about it, the result may be a fluke of the current weak administration positioning itself to collapse it’s spending base more than a straight win.

I can understand that some people believe that, since it is repeated over and over by the Republican party, but I can assure you that in the rest of the world, we don’t see a “weak administration” but perhaps more an administration who has to fight incredible level of debt, something that won’t change with the next president.

If the US hadn’t spent itself into a hole under the false pretense of world economic collapse then it would diplomatically been unlikely Super Hornet was removed from contention.

I don’t think that trying to win contracts by relying only on political pressures is the right idea.

Koweit and Quatar would then be very liekely and the rafale would be a favorite in Malaysia.

I must say that I thought about two specific market: Taiwan and Malaysia.
For Taiwan, India might played the role of proxy to help them to upgrade their Mirage (if they wish to, of course).
For Malaysia, as a member of the group of nation “countries-that-are-afraid-of-one-particular-neighbour” a signature in India could be a strong point for Dassault there, stating that they could have a close partner to support their fleet/share training and all the kind of symbiose you could imagine.

India, UAE and Brazil were always Dassault’s markets to lose, especially when they have a good product in hand.

Well, one seconde, since the last two days, I read so many article about how Rafale won since the very last second because of the political situation: “India want a reliable partner except Russia” which means that USA, Sweden, UK/Ger/Sp/Ital and of course Russia are out.
But where were those secialist 5 years ago ??
Or even 2 months ago ?

Should I remind you that Marrocco was a won deal for Rafale ?