Dassault’s recent responses to the Swiss loss & events in the UAE suggest a serious attitude problem, which cannot help sales.

Perhaps we have a cultural gap here, but what are you talking about exactly ?

Nobody wants to buy from a firm which acts as if it’s doing you a favour by selling you its products. Customers worry about what support they’ll get, & future upgrades.

So, nothing related to the behaviour of a company which not a supplier ?

And Scooter -2 points:D:D:D

Many people were quite wrong about eurocanard in India. 😀

But it’s funny to read that trhead several years after, my few limited political consideration were even more limited than I thought 🙁

Swiss competition: Gripen (even if I wish for Dassault to won that one)
Indian MRCA: F-18E (real politic before anything else)
Brazil FX: Rafale (same as above)
Libya: Flanker (or Spitfire Mk-IX, it’s all about Kadhafi mood)
Nederlands: F-35 (because it was signed)

Glitter: one point 😀

Only Flex297, Spitfire9, PLA-MKII and Swerve are still in the race after the information from Switzerland and India.
EELightning and USS Novice, disqualified because of too many answers :p

I don’ t understand the apparent arrogance of Dassault.Dassault with ZERO export in 10 years is in no position to say to anybody ‘ take it or leave it’
what went wrong?

Because, we know that UAE would like to have two main allies, USA + another country to be able to counter the two risks for the nation (one big: Iran and another lsser one: Saudi Arabia).

A second allie because of the link USA ans saudi Arabia.
Russia is out of question because of its links with Iran.

France is THE second strategic partner with a base in the country, so for Dassault, it seems they think that nobody can replace us.
Germany will not found a base there and UK cannot (for what I understand, but a british friend told me that I read too much british newspapers 😀 ).

China seems not a reliable partner for now, so, Dassault may think that UAE don’t have any choice.
But perhaps they are right, nobody can replace us before years. The problem is that, for cultural reason, emiratis governement don’t want to ovepraid their Rafale fleet. And I perfectly understand them.

JOUST was a simulator based on the data available to Qinetiq.

Could you remind me the range estimated for the MICA forthat evaluation ? 😀

Well, BTW, are you aware of the gap between those conclusions and reality ?

Both sides are guilty of it, and when I say BOTH sides I mean Eurofighter GmbH AND Dassault. When the latter claimed blatantly false A/A victories over the Typhoon

Again, thanks to prove the point, undocumented bad news about the Rafale must be taken for granted, official good news for the Rafale must be dismissed without any reason.

So, we can see the point of totally stupid marketing trick like JOUST or the last newspaper from Eurofighter, put it deep into brains and people won’t be able to take it out themselves.

Shame Dassault didn’t put as much effort into their negotiation skills! :diablo:

Honnestly, even on french forums, we are still wondering what is wrong with this *********g negociations

Actually it’s fair game now IMO. Dassault started it with all those misrepresented “air victories”, so they should expect similar to come back at them.

Because it’s well known that everyone took JOUST for what it is, just nice slides for the lulz ??

I’d be more inclined to believe the reason would be that Sarkozy was quite busy talking to Merkel & Papandreou at the G20 meeting. It’s a bit of a stretch to speculate this has anything to do with MMRCA.

That sound very plausible only if you spend too much time on such forums :dev2: