No it’s not — Mirage 2000, Gripen C/D and Gripen NG are all single-engine, light-weight fighters. They tend to sell. Twin-engine fighters like Rafale is always a much harder sell.

It’s not a question of the number of engines but cost/size.
The Gripen NG, with more electronic systems should be more expensive, then we will see what will happen.

Had Rafale been a “Mirage 2000 NG” perhaps it would have sold already, e.g. it would probably have won the original MMRCA competition in India…

Back in 2001, the IAF wanted Mirage 2000-5, we can hardly make it easier.

there was no real need to develop the Rafale when the Mirage 2000 still had plenty of developmental potential

I hope you know that it’s totally wrong.

time and money should’ve been better invested in a true 5th generation project. The French Navy could’ve moved on to the Hornet in the mean time.

You don’t remind how was the context at that time, we are talking back in 70’s, early 80’s.
When a 5th gen fighter became a possibility, there were already nor time nor fund for it.

What are the current prices(estimated) for both Rafale and Typhoon in the Indian Tender?
Then just add to the price and you get no better of than the F-35A, almost the same price but not the same RCS unless you redesign everything.;)

So, you want to compare the price of eurocanard with fly-away+Tot+construction abroad versus the fly-away price of the F-35, is it right ?

It was you who said 5th gen upgrade, well isn’t RCS reduction aka internal weapons bays 5th gen design?

I said what ?

Cause all of these three are overpriced if one compair, and thay all miss some of the MKI’s Capabilities as a heavy interceptor.

“Some capabilities” ? You mean “range” ?

India do not need a new medium ‘Striker’ eighter, India need a multirole fighter that is not too darn expensive..

At the beginning of that story, the IAF wanted the mirage 2000-5.
Then with more requirements, for me at least, the gripen looks like the best choice. The problem is the LCA in that equation.

But if you think it will help their exports by further price hikes(5gen upgrade), you are very much mistaken..
It will only make them less desireble.
Who on earth would want them at 100mil$?
India? Think otherwise, they have the PAK-FA going.
Who else?

A little summerize of 5t gen fighters:
F-22: not on the market, too expensive even for USAF.
F-35: lots of delay for technical question, was supposed to be half the price of Rafale/Eurofighter, it’s a total failure at that level. Future price unknown for now.
PAK-FA: let’s wait for the trials.

A wikileaks document is saying that chief executive of Embraer Frederico Fleury Curado stated that he hopes the F/A-18E/F would win the FX-2 bid as early as January of last year. This is not surprising at all given that Boeing has publicly stated already that they intend to work with Embraer on a new fighter project a short while back but he also stresses that it would add ‘value’ to the Super Tucanos the United States is purchasing. Technology transfer is another large factor. Mind you this document is nearly two years old and Dassault and Saab have upped the ante with their technology transfer promises but it seems the promise of technology transfer towards developing a new Brazilian fighter aircraft with Boeing is the most enticing factor to Embraer.

Well, as soon as I read about Super Tucano, I understood how obsolete that paper is. But, I really doubt that the CEO of Embraer bought a single seconde the naif idea of a “new Brazilian fighter with Boeing”.

For me the only relevant bit is this
That means a lot to the Indian and Brazil competitons whatever you buy, you buy American strings.

But the follwing paragraph

– Although it does not appear that the tech data provided
with the French bid violated ITAR regs, PM/DDTC and DTSA
should continue to monitor French marketing to ensure
Dassault does not skirt ITAR restrictions.

means that it doesn’t matter. :diablo:

And about that:

With two months remaining before the Government of Brazil decides on a next generation fighter aircraft, the U.S. competitor, Boeing’s F18 Super Hornet is still perceived by many Brazilians in and outside the GOB as a likely second or even third-place finisher, despite having the best aircraft and best offset package.

I’m no suprised about the “best aircraft” but it’s the problem of the offset package that suprise me.
Perhaps they suppose that Brazil never heard about the troublesome Polish offset package ? And the problem of ToT seems to be really underestimated while it’s certainly the main request from Brazil.

Glitter. . It a common knowledge that French Press and French pilots widely exaggerate the results of mockup fights everytime when their fighters prevail

No, it’s not common knowledge, who said that ?

Why should we believe that a source is biased when a French fighter is beaten..Doesn’t make any sense.

It’s quite funny to read something like that on that forum where one of the worst liar against the Rafale enjoy a free “tribune”, I want to speak about Mr Lake.
I have the feeling we are back in 2003, my god …

I have difficulty thinking of a few less plausible scenarios.

You don’t have much imagination.

US isn’t going to be taking anything from Brazil by brute force in the next 20 or however many years. China doesn’t, and won’t, have the capability to do in the next 20 years, if ever.

Sligthly more than 20 years ago, most occidental countries were helping extremist muslins againt USSR and nobody thought they could bite us back.

It is really sad to see the desparate situation Dassault is in..They need the President of France to act as interim Sales Manager ..

It’s Mr Bill Cinton who turn into the first president salesman.