And why?
Fail to see any point.

Why ?
I’m talking about an OPERATIONNAL point of view not from a Powerpoint point of view.
So, are we sure that Europe is so much behind non-American countries about the 5th generation ?

It is 1001% certain that both Russia and China will deploy their 5th gen fighter program into operational service.
Do have doubts about this?

Oh, no, certainly not, but my question is how far your “will” will bring us in the future ?

How they’d manage to finance such a sale when they don’t want to pay to keep their existing fleet of Typhoons flying is beyond me. Why would the Austrians need to replace perfectly viable T1 Typhoons meant for the air policing role anyway?

Certainly because it’s not viable.

Not so fast. That quote from the ‘Indian Express’ has not been reported elsewhere. Don’t you think a statement of such significance would be doing the rounds as video on YT? Hence, you can file it with those reports declaring Modi would fly in a Rafale @ AeroIndia.

Years after the famous “India kicked the Rafale out of the competition”, I wonder how anyone can believe a single word from anonymous sources or rumors.

That threat — shared also by Dassault which is struggling to keep its Rafale production lines going as deliveries to the French Air Force slow this year — was one of the drivers behind the French government’s active role in clinching the Egyptian contract.

If you have a doubt about french way to prepare budget, don’t hesitate to ask.
The rule is that the french gov promised to keep the 11 planes per year. They did a budget without the proper funds and bet with a signed contracts with a foreign country but should it failed to happen, the french governement had to buy these 11 planes, that happened in the past already.

Remember, the Eurofighter consortium members submitted a revised, lower bid to New Delhi last October

Since the eurofighter has always been more expensive, how can you be sure that it would be different this time ?

For those wishing the deal to be cancelled: SNECMA and HAL announce today the agreement for the creation of a joint-venture to manufacture the M-88 engine in India:
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Hello Breguet

I hope you don’t mind that nobody noticed your post ? :angel:

I cannot find my message, but I wrote years ago that nobody mentally sane would go with such conditions.
Well, only few months to wait.

The cheap alternative for the TSR2 does not exist, its cancellation was a bad thing all round.

and what about a Mirage ?
http://z11.invisionfree.com/TSR2_SIG/index.php?showtopic=34

So, the former PM says no cahs, the defence aquistion budget is slashed, “negotiations” have been going on with Dassault for over two years and you really think this deal will happen?

Dassault gave up discussions about Alpha-Jet after 15 years of discussions. So, are you telling me you find 2 years a long discussion ?

Obviously the deal must be financially viable.

What price do you have in mind ?
8 billions ? 10 ? 12 ? 20 ? 26 ?

But if negotiations are at all compromised by intransigence or greed on the part of Dassault or the French government, as has occurred in the past… well, it might be time to bring back the guillotine.

Source ?

Actually, price in itself was a tad cynical. Shortly the government will announce a raising of the FDI cap in defence from the current 26% to 49%*(and even higher rates for greater ToT). This stands EADS in good stead, especially as their FDI would entail a more accommodating stance on localised production and, crucially, ToT. So Dassault falls down on all three of the aforementioned: price, FDI and ToT.

Source ?

I wouldn’t describe it as a step backwards “several years” either, more a ‘clean sheet’ tender for a new administration.
NaMo has an enviable record of getting things done & dusted very quickly.

EF2000 lines should close around 2018, that sound very close to restart the discussion from scratch.