– AESA radar, it was part of the deal from the beginning
But since the beginning, it wasn’t clear if the UAE wasn’t interested into an upgrade RBE2 AESA.
About the potential sales of Rafale, don’t you think that with the emirati market (and the Lybian on too ?) in the pocket, Dassault won’t be as flexible as we saw, for instance in Brazil ?
On the contrary, when they were disqualified because they didn’t respond to certain queries during the technical qualification stage, it took a lot of hectic political intervention and pleading to get Dassault back into the race.
IIRC, in fact, nobody inside the Indian MoD confirm that rumor.
Seems like an awful lot of trouble to sell 36 aircraft.
Every contract take time between the official statement to buy them and the definitive signature.
Well, I the reason it only has been slightly touched is because Sweden offered the same.
And how many KC-390 would they buy ?
The main issue here should be Brazil’s needs not the manufacturers plans. What Brazil really wants is CODEVELOPMENT. Towards this goal we are more than willing to wait a few more years to get our new fighters.
France proposed a collaboration about the KC-390, something that has been only slightly touch here.
Ok, working on a next gen Gripen is certainly more sexy than the KC-390. But honnestly, I think that there is much more customers for a brand new cargo than a “single engine Rafale”.
RBE2 is not futher along the way than Selex radar, both are in the software validaiton phase.
That’s quite “vague”. What if Thales did 95% of the validation process while Selex is only at 10% ?
The difference is Selex is & has for years been selling fighter aesa radars, whereas thales have not.
Surveillance radar mainly or a “limited” 500E
http://www.selex-sas.com/SelexGalileo/EN/Business/Products/Radar/index.sdo
To my knowlede both of them use T/R modules designed by UMS by the way.
True, but the difference will lies with the software if I must believe the articles I read in french magazines.
Actually it is not OK 🙂
– Fuel weight in 2 CFTs = 2 x 1,150 x 0.8 = 1,840 kg
Total = 25,872 kg
The over weight = 1,372 kg
Since the CFT were there for “marketing” reasons, we can assume they were empty, so, et voila your 24.5 tons 🙂
Another thing; I am sure this has been discussed a zillion times before, but if they are going to stick to that 10 billion USD for 126 a/c, does’n that more or less disqualifies the Rafale and probably also Typhoon up-front?
I raised the same issue since the very beginning. For that budget, only Gripen and Mig-35 are on the dancefloor.
Got to love how the Chinese apparently are stealing yet again the intellectual property of others.
Disgraceful.
Well, I’m not sure that IP about a 40 years old chopper is still really usefull.
Brazil’s FX program began in 2001. Its 2010 now and no decision has been made- thats approx the same time that the MRCA has lasted.
It’s 2010 and Brazil’s FX2 should be finish very soon.
out of curiosity what would it take for the Rafale fanbase to chance its view (even slightly) of what Rafale did or didn’t do in the UAE?
Well, to be consistent with our position, let’s say that an official statement from RAF pilots would do the trick.
Just a problem, in such a case, we would be sure that one of the two side is an obvious liar without knowing which one … 🙁
Here is Eurofighter’s view of the events in the UAE. The following text is a copy paste from the new official “Eurofighter World” magazine.
There is too many “unofficial” in that text to take it seriously …..
Anyway, I’m a bit sad to learn that our pilots are so stupid that they believe they are fighting against Typhoon while the ennemy are a bunch of F-16 a bit far away.
I am surprised to learn that SH and Typhoon met specs but not Rafale?
It’s the Japanese way to say “Dassault refused the competition because we couldn’t prove it’s a fair one”.
thanks for pointing that out, dassault wont get the codes for the “slammer” either
So, UAE is asking Dassault to install something that Dassault won’t be allowed to install ? So, where is the problem for us ?
Can anyone hazard a guess how difficult this would be? The MILSTD databus thing is designed to allow this but I guess the aerodynamics are the key thing to check out.
Honnestly, on french forums, we don’t understand what is the problem exactly.
The only problem for Dassault would be the aerodynamic questions.
For software, it’s Thales.
For economical reason, MBDA wouldn’t be happy but it doesn’t really matter.
For political reason :confused:
According to that site:
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2010/02/16/Emirates-throw-wrench-in-Dassault-works/UPI-90241266346270/#
Adapting the Rafale to carry SLAMs would present technical difficulties and would cut out MBDA, a British-German-French-Italian missile consortium, of any contract Dassault may negotiate.