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January 18, 2010 at 12:06 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2416132

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But other pilots who can’t talk officially can’t be taken into account? Why don’t you give us hints about what the french said?

Which part of CONFIDENTIAL AGREEMENT you don’t understand ?

As you guys gave hints about the Italian/French DACT between Rafales and Typhoons in 2007 etc.?

Kovy, tmor and so on have hints but prefer to keep them since it’s the typical source that can be sound as biased.
It seems that Mr Lake disagree with that way of thinking :rolleyes:

January 18, 2010 at 8:31 am in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2416311

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If you have problems with certain posts/posters on other forums, you need to take it there and solve the matter. You can’t shoot randomly…

I have a problem mainly with Jacko and all his “statements” made up out of thin air.
Remember, superior MMI, underpowered planes etc etc ?

What about Singapore?
EF was the only one to pass AA and SC requirements, in the first place.

Say who ?
So the best plane got kick among the first in that competition ? No, do you really believe it ?
Anyway, french pilots have a total different story to say, but since they have a confidentiel agreement can’t talk officially.
Thanks god Mr Lake found lots of unscrupulous witnesses 🙂

1) There is some indication (but no proof) that Rafale ‘won’ in Korea. The anecdotal evidence mostly supports that view.

Several Korean newspaper spoke about the victory of the Rafale in that competion and few days ago, Sampaix even find a book speaking about that.
The Rafale was first with 1,15% more than the F-15K.

2) There is some indication (but no proof) that Typhoon ‘won’ in Singapore. The anecdotal evidence supports that view.

There isn’t any indication that it was the case, sorry.

January 17, 2010 at 7:45 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2416987

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Also, I’ve noticed a load of paranoia again and here are some examples…

Who thinks that?? Lot of posters??
If you refer to Pfcem and like, that doesn’t matter…

I post that with many posters from many forums in mind.

But thanks to treat those who disagree with you as psycho. :p

OTOH, when the score went public, many French posters took it as something it isn’t, for whatever reasons and I won’t go back digging because, well…

Many french posters got nothing more but another piece of a body of evidence they got from Dassault and french AF versus an ocean of nameless statement.

So, how about start collecting material on what really happened there and stop posting “Jackoniko this and Jackoniko that…”.

What about getting official information of what really happened in Singapore instead ? 😀

January 16, 2010 at 7:46 pm in reply to: Another anti F-35 lie dispelled #2418048

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Some (dare say many/most) in the anti F-35 crown have been having a figurative orgasm over a recent article in the UK’s Guardian newspaper where it is claimed thet the UK is cutting its F-35B order in half (just the most recent is a long line of Guardian completely made up BS).

Any reduction from a european countries of F-35 order is the least of worry for LM :dev2:

January 15, 2010 at 1:21 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2419245

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Nothing more?

If that was all that had been said, there would have been no more than a gently raised eyebrow.

Are you kidding me ?
Still a lot of posters can’t imagine that the Rafale can go toe to toe with Typhoon in AA.
Still a lot of posters think that the Rafale is an hangar queen.
Still a lot of posters think the OSF as totaly pointless.

What’s being challenged is ‘something more’.

First the claim that Rafale ‘only ended up in F-22’s gunsight once, in six encounterd’.
Second the 4-0 + 3-1 = 7-1 claims against Typhoon.

Oh yeah, I heard about that.
About the F-22, the USAF talked about the results and told about the “undefeated” F-22, so, the sentence of the french officer that can be understand as a short defeat of the Rafale in dogfight seems to fit the bill here.

About the Typhoon, it’s obvious that the Rafale isn’t 7 times better but either you put EVERYTHING in doubt (specially with JOUST which halved the range of MICA and RBE2) as Toan said, either you recognize that something happened there.

This is a matter of those who are interested in facts, versus those who want to cling on to exaggerated propaganda at all costs.

No really, how do you want to appear serious while saying that ??

January 15, 2010 at 11:05 am in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2419338

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Hello everyone, i’ve really been looking at this and I can’t see that there is any evidence of Rafale actually rocking the fighter world in the Al Dahfra shoot out.

None of the professional journos are staking their reputations on it, so its just down to a translation of a french report from a Rafale pilot who gives some information about what he thought happened.

None of this is backed up by any other sources so what am i to think?:confused:

The conclusion of ATCL (related to the Rafale) as seen on french forums:

– capacity of visual confirmation up to 40km instead of 5km.
– capacity to fire 6 AASM and 3 Mica in a single minute.
– capacity to detect air defence (and in some case better than F-16 CJ)
– good capacity to go on AA versus a plane as good as the Typhoon.
– good reliability.

Nothing more.

But it seems that some posters here totally disagree with these conclusions such like Jacko/John Lake or Cola1973, in part thanks to a mail from Eurofighter group.

January 14, 2010 at 1:12 pm in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2419742

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TooCool12F,And on the other side, while we’ve had no official comment on the claims, those of us who do get to talk to aircrew know that the good Colonel’s claims have been contradicted and rejected by UK and USAF pilots.

More seriously, the US piltos were glad to say
“In every test we did, the Raptors just blew the competition out of the water,” Pilch said. “Their stats were off the chart
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/12/f22-raptors-return-training-middle-east

wile the french AF were glad to give the result with the (certainly) closest competitors of the Rafale.

It’s the same pattern here.

January 12, 2010 at 4:21 pm in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2420892

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So if the deal is not closed soon that probably means that the French did not reduce the price sufficiently…

But what’s the “fair” price from Brazilian point of view ?

January 11, 2010 at 1:39 pm in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2421430

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What is funny with all this, is that, after Rafale has lost several competions due to politics (at least according to Dassault and the French) it now seems that their potential first sell will be due to… politics 😉

Sure.
It’s no use to get first during technical evaluation like in Korea just to be kicked out because of political reasons.

But that problem has been pointed a long time ago. When you sell expensive planes, the question of politic get a much higher importance than performance.

January 11, 2010 at 11:49 am in reply to: Rafale v Typhoon v F22 and the rest…Was there ever a conclusion? #2421480

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What strike me is that some people are ready to envisage any possibilities, even the most unlikelly ones, but can’t take as a hypothesis that the Rafale is just a better plane than the EF.

Don’t forget a very powerful psychological lock.
Should the Rafale been a better plane in A2A, the conclusion would be that Thunder/Sampaix would have been right since the beginning :diablo:

December 23, 2009 at 8:51 am in reply to: Romania may go for "free" F-16? #2428301

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Whatever the solution, it will be US made. No chance for Eurocanards.

Why do you consider it as a US victory for sure ?
France has lots of second hand mirage 2000 and UK/Germany/Italy has even second hand Typhoon.

December 22, 2009 at 11:27 am in reply to: A Christmas present for all the Rafale fanboys…… #2428490

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THE problem is the BS assumption that the Rafale is the only modern fighter that exceeds the 150% standard safety margin. Even worse the BS that only the Rafale is able to pull 11 g. ANY 9 g RATED FIGHTER IS STRUCTURALLY CAPABLE OF PULLING 11 g!

I won’t get into that fight because my skills are too limited in that area, but on the Mirage 2000 and Rafale, in case of emergncy, the limit is 13g IIRC, perhaps that’s why they choose that 185% instead of 150%.

December 22, 2009 at 9:20 am in reply to: More F-16's for the Middle East??? #2428503

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2) Kuwait will also buy non-US aircraft if it wishes. The USA does not have a veto.

Perhaps he is confused with Qatar, which has now important american bases, and some rumors said that USAF is pressuring the governement to buy anything but the Rafale, because of fear of Elint capabilities of SPECTRA.

But it’s rulmors until now.

December 21, 2009 at 11:44 am in reply to: 36 rafale for Brazil #2 #2428757

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arthuro has a point about the weapon systems factoring into the costs. The MICA family is an expensive series of product to maintain compared to Sidewinder and AMRAAM. That would skew the totals somewhat. Just seems to be outrageous compared to the others.

It’s not very clear but it seems that the engines are still a real problem for the Rafale, that’s certainly one important element of that high cost.
The target is a cost of ownership clsoe to the Mirage 2000.

Would Braxil be forced to operate French only missiles, or will they allow for indigenous (Piranha) and 3rd party missile options?

I would like to say that as long as you’re the customer, you can ask everything you want … as long as you can pay for it.

December 15, 2009 at 6:21 pm in reply to: Rafale News IX #2403180

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Me too, Sintra. Perhaps, the Swiss Air Force fears that Saab will have to face a hard future?

So am I.
Perhaps, after all, those ridiculous suspicions of bribes surrounding the Gripen really made a bad impression there ?
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