I’d say M2.8+ (assuming it doesn’t melt down first) and I’d say just one F119 would suffice. 😀

That remind me something.

Msg to french posters, did someone ever scanned the article about the differents Mach 3+ projects from Dassault ?

Given that France has clearly separated it’s own aerospace companies into civil/ military airliners (aerospatiale/airbus/EADS) and military fighter jet/ business jet (Dassault), I don’t see the rationale to insist on including Dassault on a project clearly within the competencies of Airbus.

Dassault = 100% french
EADS = European companies which has done quite important works to prevent Dassault to sell, I don’t see why in hell France would spend money to help a competitor. I don’t even talk of Mr Enders.

Speaking in generalities is one thing, but specific technologies like cargo management systems, cargo bay & ramps, air-drop, and other military-cargo-specific requirements, all developed by EADS for the A400M would obviously be transferrable to C390 (which would obviously help EADS in balancing the books for the A400M program if they can ammortize their development costs by sharing such tech with the non-competing C390.)

Certainly, but that part belong to embraer.

See below. One failed airliner – a 100% failure rate, 0% success rate.

100% failure ? that remind me EADS in the military field.

Some JAS39A/B could be delivered, as they are being retired, with plenty of airframe hours left, & offered for sale secondhand. It could be more difficult for France, which I think would have to divert Rafales meant for the AdlA.

The production line was made with a maximum rate of 25 planes per year, obviously quite enough to build for France and Brazil at the same time.
Specially since any foreign orders would certainly lowered the budget for french rafale.

Dassault doesn’t work on A400M or transport planes was my point:
Cargo handling, ramps, etc, are not things Dassault has ready to contribute near-off the shelf. EADS does.
Sure, Dassault could participate in developing that stuff from scratch, but why would France insist on that vs. EADS?

For two obvious points.
1) The Embraer/Dassault KC-390 would be used as a threat to EADS and their several years delay on the A400M.
2) Eurocopter/EADS get a big part of the deal with Brazil, and Dassault asked a nice share too.

You either don’t understand meaningful criteria for success

Technically speaking, that plane was a huge sucess, end of the story.

Not a very reliable source that. I doubt the block 60 costs that much.

The F-16 block 15, 30 up to 52 were cheap because of the high production.
The block 60 was tailored ONLY for the UAE market so low production, very high technology so very high price.

I expect it to be delivered in 2014 (first jets).

Honnestly, the question is more “Do you think the contact will be signed before 2014 ?”

SAAB says they will integrate weapons of our choice. R 73 and R 77 ? :diablo:

For such a deal, any competitor would integrate any AAM missile you want.

Anyways there are no getting around that the ToT and Price-tag will over rule the pure performance on the Contenders in the MMRCA.
Remember that the growt path are allso important here.
When it adding up Tot, Price & Growt path possibility the Mig-35 will undress the other contenders.. now get over it.:diablo:

Growth potentiel for the Mig-35 is quite unknown, that plane should have a first customer first :dev2:

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The 2009 fiscal year ends at midnight on Wednesday.

Back in March, half-way through the FY and just after the Government Accountability Office issued a report on the Joint Strike Fighter program – including a chart showing a planned 317 sorties for FY2009 – I tried to crunch some numbers and produce a semi-educated guess as to where the flight test program would be by now.

It was not hard to see that the target cited by the GAO was out of reach, because by mid-March there had only been 17 F-35 sorties flown in the FY. But if six more aircraft flew, and stayed flying, and started building up towards the already-stated 12 flights-per-airplane-per-month goal, you could see 80-150 more sorties by the end of the year. My best guess would have been 80. (It was all pretty squishy, so I didn’t publish it.)

Bad news ahead ? Or only poor management ?

Sorry, I was just going by the Eurocopter blurb. I reckon they had a swift rethink when most of the potential customers threatened to go for Mangusta, Rooivalk or Apache unless the Tigre had a cannon. Pity this country didn’t have the French attitude to protecting their own industry.

Quite the opposite, Germany has a prototype on the way, and the decision to NOT use the french gun was certainly to keep the path clear for a national product.