I think that M88-3 datas are bogus since the eco core will have the same diameter than current M88-2 or am I mistaken ?

These datas are for the M88-3, not the ECO.

To my understanding so far, an increment in M88’s thrust, will come by increasing the engine’s (compressor’s only??) diameter.

If this is the case, how easy will it be to incorporate it, to the rafale?

1) As Arthuro and Global Press want to express is that since the first press release from SNECMA about the 9t M88, perhaps some breakthought allowed to dodge that problem.
2) Obviously, any change on the M88 is design to be easily incorporate into the Rafale.

Sorry it is possible to rate it at 90kN looks like you still miss some bits here and then.

It looks possible since FEASABILITY studies said so.

Whatever, no more to say about this quote, in FACT, the AIM-9B set-up was WAY more reliable than the R-530 one, please get yourself informed before writing.

I was speaking of the implementation, why are you talking of missiles ?

It was tested at 90 kN and certified as a possiblity as always you are missing information and take it for granted.

Certified at 90Kn ? Have you got a link for that ? Because it wasn’t written in your previous link.

Am’ worried about your habbit to dismiss information you do not have.:dev2:

I’m worried about your habbit of admitting information favorable to the Rafale that you do not have.

You’re spot on, only Glitter is a couple YEARS late that’s all… As usual…

The information quoted are a coupels years old, but are from SNECMA.
But I’m sure posters from that site prefer this kind of source than your personnal fantasies.

some studies?

http://www.snecma.com/IMG/pdf/Note_d_informations_Snecma__M88_pack_CGP_VF_OK.pdf

oh well, ok!

M88 that would be produced in 2011 will be only more endurant?

nice new for the adla and customers!

It’s written in French.
The M88 ECO is a more ECONOMICAL engine and more reliable.

Thanks to the change on the core M88, a 9t is feasable, not ready.

Didn’t DGA award the contract to SNECMA for this putpose?

Not at all.
I can only see the building of 16 M88 ECO at 7,5t.

Never been a problem, cost IS, integration of foreign weapons is totaly possible with French designed buses, ex; the Mirage III were equiped with AIM-9Bs back in 1970’s this blah-di-blah about integration is the usual Uninformed gossip.

Of course it’s possible, but longer, more expensive and less reliable.

google traduction:
Now the M88 ECO is ready for sale (9t or increased life span) on export markets as well as the rbe2 AESA. I think that the rafale is becoming even more competitive. A rafale fitted with two 9t engine should have a huge trust to weight ratio. I don’t know the exact numbers of competitors aircrafts, but this T/W should be one of the best if not the best available on the market.

Nope, the 9t has seen “feasability studies” and would required some devellopement before being available on the market.
But I’m not worried about that.
Posters on forums would LOVE to see 9t M88 while most AF would love to have a 7,5t M88 with a very low MCO

The only who I know who sentenced for bribery is Serge Dassault (2 years probationary).

The truth that we aren’t that good for briberies 😀

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-51324209.html
Dateline: SEOUL, South Korea French aerospace giant Dassault Aviation may lose a multibillion dollar fighter jet project in South Korea after its local agent was implicated in a bribery scandal, local media reported Monday.

Yes, the dassault agent paid twice the restaurant to a Korean officer.
Obviously, the Rafale was in front of the competition :rolleyes:

The probability of the RBE2 AESA tested in swiss is high. We had already rumors that the rafale B301 is fitted with an AESA antenna.

The term used by the forumer was more like “top notch radar” 😎

Of course, export success is highly needed, not for a matter of money, but to maintain the production rate.

Be caerful, for what I understand, IN CASE of export, the delivery rate for the french navy and army will be 8 per year, but at worst, it will remain at 11 per year.

Having spoken to evaluation pilots who have flown both I CAN say. What I can’t do, without a scan of a signed affadavit, or of the evaluation report, is PROVE it.

Wow, no leakeage about what happened there from french or american guys who went to Singapore but a major leak from the singaprian pilots themselves ? 😀

I suspect that my saying that each aircraft enjoys advantages and disadvantages annoys the dyed in the wool Rafale fanboys because they’re too prejudiced and too xenophobic to admit to Typhoon having any advantages over their beloved Rafale, and too ignorant to acknowledge a superior MMI, for example (which they don’t understand because it’s difficult to quantify to a lay audience).

Could you tell me how “typhoon users” opinion can be revelant when talking about a plane which is much more versatile ?
And, of course , could you tell me why everyone found the Rafale MMI exceptionnally good except you ?
You and Mr Lake of course.

The day I see a French forumer acknowledge Typhoon’s superior MMI (as many French pilots have done, and as I acknowledge the Rafale’s superior low level ride and low level handling characteristics, or the Rafale’s current superior A-G capabilities, or the strength of Dassault’s programme management) I’ll know that I’m dealing with a pro, or at least with an unbiased and intelligent amateur. But I won’t hold my breath, as so few French enthusiasts will admit any of Typhoon’s advantages, nor even that it has any.

I think I recognized several very good point of the Eurofighter already, but I’m not suprised that you can’t remind that.

Well, I think I know a little about American Politics.

Honestly, during the 2003 anti-french assault, I had quite some bloody discussions with some americans posters …. who knew zilch to they own history.

Have you ever met Obama, McCain, or Bush………..I HAVE:D

I shook Mr Chirac’s hands and it hasn’t changed my life.