But, now, the EADS consortium are using the socialists’ gov preference on EF as “a word of honour that must be kept from the current gov too”, so one point of pressure in favour of EF. Of course, now, according to the press , the French ask ” new comparison from scratch, to give a chance to all aircrafts”..
On several french magazines, they more talked about how the french secret service blackmailed the Greek governement to stop the deal thanks to a one million found from EADS Germany to the brother in law of the Greek MoD at that time.
I have never heard about any reclaim about that information neither from Greece nor EADS Germany.
The engine or T/W ratio is of course an issue when you are supposed to want an aircraft for A2A. It is no secret that the main disappointment in the Mirage2000 evolution, is the weak engine. Even the Mirage2000-5 would be “another” aircraft if SNECMA had come out with improved engines.
The M53-PX exist, but no customers has been found.
Compared to the engines of the Block 52+, the Mirage are weak and the same fear exists about the Rafale’s engines, with the -ECO being the latest which doesn’t bring real boosts. A comparison with the boost performance of the next EF engine for example, given also the history of SNECMA’s weak engines, is a big poing in favour or EF fans.
The ECO bring a boost for maintenance, availability, something quite important I think.
More thrust ? The m88-3 has been tested too, yuo only have to ask.
2 news :
Claude Guéant, Secretary-General of l’Elyzée, declared that France had “serious hopes” to sell around 100 Rafale.:D
From METRO newspaper, when asked if he was talking of “pure sales” of Rafales or a swap from Mirage fleet to Raafle fleet, he answered
“On les vend, mais c’est clair que les pays qui ont des mirage 2000 souhaitent les revendre, et nous allons les aider à le faire”
If I put aside the fact that this sentence is very weird, it’s the indication of the potential customers have a very recent fleet of Mirages 2000.
Just a reminder, Dassault had an estimation of 150 sales for the Rafale.
The Mirage 2000-5 of HAF are still great fighter, why to spend money to replace them???
I start to wonder if there isn’t a plan to “switch” some future Rafale of the AdA with Mirage -5 and -9.
that would fit well with the rumor of a lowered target of Rafale.
Some article state that the discussion with Lybia is going well for a decision to be taken that fall.
http://www.romandie.com/ats/news/080605193521.rjfeq577.asp
Les Emirats étudient “sérieusement” l’achat de Rafale français
At least, one good news that week for the program …
An as far as I know, yes, the French and Germans are still against the C-17 squadron
I don’t think that France can block anything inside NATO.
But I’m sure the price of the C-17 itself is enough to be major hindrance.
Even the RAFALE M F1?! that´s new!
These Rafale will undergo the transformation to the F3 standard should they be put into service again.
Yes and No.
The budget of defense in France still remain (2% of GDP) the same. So, they cut becasue the rise of the costs.
1,7% with the national military police inside that budget.
so now the second Rafale has crashed with the news of the Rafale M whose pilot ejected ?
No, the plane couldn’t stop before the end of the runaway, and with a central tank + 4 missiles, the pilot choose the ejection “in case of” …
But if the U.S. keeps on being stubborn and doesn’t trust its most important and co-closest Pacific ally, then ******** ’em.
Japan will have to start an own fighter programme. The sooner the better.
I still keep the “IJFX” option from my old list as #1.
Alone ?
Doubtful.
Japan would have to get closer to another country to help them with that task.
if we let Russia out, that left France and the Eurofighter consortium.
The political weight of UK/Germany/Sapin/Italy should sound attractive to Japan.
What are you smoking? Of course it’s possible. It may not be the most desirable but it’s certainly doable.
Industrialy speaking, of course it’s possible, UK market isn’t that important.
But giving that space to european industrials is giving them much more importance.
After so much effort to prevent the sales of Rafale, two british carriers with them would be a failure.
So, such a move (from both parts) is very unlikely.
Provided that u can afford French SLBM.
I’m sure anice discount is possible.
It is much cheaper to buy F-18E (AESA) vs Rafale for UK.
The fly away price difference is only few millions.
No, really, “giving” the UK market to european (and specially french) industrial isn’t possible for USA.
Wow, EADS has neclear technologies to sell ?
If only they only HAD nuclear tech 😀
Usually you can at least double the U.S. forces price tag for international fleet sales.
Meaning in the end F-35, Super Hornet, Typhoon and Rafale will all cost about the same, around 120 million Euro, and the F-22 at least 200 million Euro (not talking about political restrictions here).
We can have an accurate fly-away price but for the “glocal” package,these is too many factors.