Notice how the Rafale easily dodge the 20mm shells from the F-35.
Conclusion: Rafale rulezzz
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Kovy, Tmor, not a word about the strange article for an another “close to be signed” sale of 20 Rafale in UAE ?
Further, as compared to the F-35 is clearly doesn’t have the Stealth, Internal Weapon Load, AESA Radar or Sensor Fit. That is just for starters…………………with all do respect.:cool:
Among four arguments, two are the same (Stealth and Internal load) and remain to be seen on foreign F-35.
AESA radar ? I hope you know that this point is a temporary one.
Sensor fit: yes, obviously, the Typhoon “lag” behind the F-35 BUT the question is “how usefull in BVR they are in stealth mode ?”
As for the Typhoon it would not provide the level of Air Superiority over Flanker Types that the RAAF would require! Regardless, it is not as capable in the BVR Arena as the F-35. So, what would be the point???
Not only the EF2000 is much cheaper but why do you think that it doesn’t met the F-35 capabilities ?
And LCA is also multirole 4+ generation fighter .
Perhaps it should prove it worth to be called 3rd gen before trying to play with 4th and 4+ denomination.
Please elucidate. I’m curious as to how a 54,000 lb MTOW airplane with a slightly smaller wing area (492 sq ft) and less power can carry more weight than a 66,000 lb airplane with a 500 sq ft wing area and more power. I’m not trying to be sarcastic or anything, maybe the SH EW is so much heavier or maybe the airframe is so much more draggy, or maybe you are quoting figs for a smaller range for Rafale? In general I am accustomed to a larger airplane being able to carry more over the same range.
How ? I don’t know.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f18ef/
7,750 lb (8,050 kg)
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/rafale/
17,635 lb (8,000 kg)
http://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/au_service_de_la_defense/aeronefs/chasse_bombardement_reconnaissance/rafale
Charges externes : supérieur à 8 tonnes
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/defense/rafale/advanced-weapons.html?L=1
Over 9 tons
The main difference is the empty weight, less than 10 tons.
– it can carry a lot, it has a higher MTOW than any competitor other than the F-15E
But a payload inferior to the Rafale 😀
“If you are serious about continuing to do defense business in India,” said one French industry representative, “then this deal makes no sense. The MICA missiles are the same as on the Dassault Mirage 2000 aircraft that have previously been sold to India, and the RC400 radar is the same as the RDY-3 model design that Dassault have proposed to install in the Indian Mirages as part of an upgrade program. DGA are essentially selling the Pakistanis–at a time of heightened instability in that country–the same radar and missile technology that has already been sold to India. This will compromise a good portion of the IAF’s fighter force.”
Since that paragraph, supposed to be taken from a reliable source is totally wrong, I fear the worst about the article.
– No MICA on Indian mirages …. until now, we don’t know for the future.
– The radar proposed to India is the RDY2, a high end version of the RDY, while the RDY3 is a low end.
For vikasrehman:
No future deal between France and Taiwan in the near future:
– too much bribes and death for Taiwanese taste during the frigates deal.
– Pressures from China to prevent France to sell any new military product.
This may also increase the chance that European nations order more US stuff.
The risk is that Europe would buy only high tech american product while USA buy few low tech Europe stuff
The F-35 for Germany and France is thinkable
In Germany, perhaps.
What his a “export-grade F-22”? When did the US Congress lift the ban on RAPTOR exports? Why would Australia replace a long range “bomb truck” with an Air Defence Fighter almost useless in the attack role?
And why the “true needs” of Australia are a “stealth supercruiser AMRAAM shooter”? To defend from what, or from whom? That massive Indonesian “Flanker” Fleet? The entire FOUR SU7/SU30´s?!!!
GEEEEEEEEE, talking about throwing money out of the windows!
At least, some wise words on that topic.
The only replacement I can see would the SU-34.
The Rafale’s highly unlikely, what would the french unions make of the offsets?
Unions are non existant at Dassault
Hence, imho, the Eurofighter comes to the fore, especially as EADS can probably offer the most lucrative economic offsets whether civil or military.
Since BAE seems to be prefered to EADS Germany, I don’t see much difference.
Anyway, I don’t think that anyone would easily give up their share of Airbus for that contract.
On the other hand, Dassault try to find a new industrial organization to avoid the burden of the very high Euro for their Falcon line.
Actually, and after “digesting” for almost a week the 2009 Budget of the US Navy and taking advantage of the excelent job done by TMOR on the cost of the RAFALE program, it seems that the French Fighter, the Super Hornet an the Eurofighter Typhoon are on the exact same bracket of costs. At least the fly away costs.
I fear we haven’t read the same thing.
A Rafale F2 totally multi role is cheaper than an air-to-air Typhoon.
And the “high cost” of the Rafale is due quite often to the “short serie” phenomenon, with the Indian deal, it would be different.
For example give Boeing 2/3 of the contract to be built in the US and Airbus 1/3 to be built in Europe!
Bad idea.
EADS is ready to set up a brand new assembly line in USA (Mobile IIRC) that would be the single plant for the KC-330 should it won the mega deal
1/3 of the deal would turn into a 100% made in Toulouse KC-330.
As for the politics of the issue, consider this:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/EDITORIAL/914504228
I like such a moment, when a conservatives opinion is exactly the same that you could hear from a socialist guy.
And the KC-30 might get hit by flak from this story:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2008/02/mil-080207-voa02.htm
So, as usual, the USA will forbid the buy of a european aircraft …
Page 7
“MMRCA is a ky program for the USAF”
WTF ? :confused:
BTW, just a little mistake Page 3
“More air-to-air victories (72-0)” :dev2:
Sorry, but Politics is Politics. I think most Europeans would understand if the roles were reversed………….:o
It’s a well known fact that no european coutnries has ever bought an american planes …..:D